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Politics, Money, Heroes and Cads

not elusive if you pay attention to timelines

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NPS
Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:28 AM

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"Why is one man a role model and a hero and the other man a disgrace? The distinction seems elusive. "
Its only elusive if you're blind to history. Obviously coming out of the closet as gay in the 80's is worlds different from coming out today, but Foley isn't coming out, he's blaming an incident from his youth as changing his inner being. I don't buy that one. Regardless, our american "culture" is still highly predjudiced yet its nothing like it was in the 80's. Therefore its easy to see why people thought good things about Studd owning up to his personal reality. The portion regarding sex with a 17 yr old is horrendous however and no different from a teacher having sex with a student (although at 17 I certainly thought I knew what I was doing). Heck, I knew a 15-yr old in school who got married. Its all in how you view things. Back when people didn't live so long youth marriages were common in order to promote repopulation, which is certianly a ridiculous concept these days.

Heroes

Program Analyst
Fed Agency
Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:30 AM

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Neither Foley or Studds are heroes to most Americans. Since both men are established pedofiles neither qualify for any honor for what they say or do after their disgrace. To say so is like saying Timothy McVeigh should be honored because he was "blazingly articulate" against capital punishment.

Heros and Cads

Program Analyst
GSA
Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:35 AM

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"Reprehensible," "despicable," "a disgrace to the House of Representatives," "deserve the collective outrage of the American people," "sickening behavior," were terms used to describe the former Congressman's actions.
Humm - appears I heard these words during an embarrassment of the highest office (Mr. Clinton) - odd how it's alright for a democrate to be all those things and be dubed a hero, but let it be a republican and they should be boiled in oil and flogged in the public square. Politics is as Politics does.

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Human Resources Specialist
Department of Treasury
Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:56 AM
As a former resident of Massachusetts, I can tell you that Studds was not a hero. At the time of the activity with a page, he was a closeted individual who came out afterward. Notwithstanding, he was also a great congressperson who represented his constutuents well and was re-elected on that basis. There is, however, one distinction. Studds did not attribute his actions to any influence other than his own sexuality. On the other hand, Foley condemned those who engaged in like behavior and, when caught, blamed alcoholism and a Catholic priest for his actions. Foley was a hypocrite who was hoisted on his own petard. There have been moral scandels involving politicians throughout our history. For example, one president had children by his slave; another had an illegitimate child. What usually is the barometer for whether the public is willing to forgive is an admission of one's actions. I have no sympathy for Studds or Foley on this issue; both engaged in inappoproriate behavior

politics

Admin.
FSA
Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:40 AM

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So, let's be fair and dredge up Barney Frank's homosexual lover's prostitution ring, run out of Barney's house. And he didn't know it...right Barney? And they still love Barney....(Democrats, that is....)

Politics, Money, Heros and Cads

Retired
DOD
Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:24 AM

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Your article reminded me of the case(s) of the female school teachers who are having inappropriate/unlawful relationships with their male students, and yet are certainly looked at in a different light than a male having the same kind of relationship with a female student. And when we speak of Foley in a position of power - isn't this describing a teacher as well. I, for one, am sickened, really sickened, by the political correctness, and in some cases "beauty", of it all.

Media

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BLM
Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:18 PM

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It is sick that the media or anyone would make a hero out of a congressman who seduced a seventeen year old page whom they are in a position of authority over. The congressman, as well as anybody or organization giving accolades to this guy should be chastised!

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Human Resources Specialist
Department of Treasury
Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:37 PM
The media or anyone else cannot create a hero, unless you permit them to. Moroever, not all newspapers, magazines, and news programs have argued that Studds was. He was, in fact, a congressman who ably performed his representational duties. What has changed is the repeal of the fairness in broadcasting regulations, so that we are now subject to overexposure of a individual's pathetic and inappropriate conduct. Other than the investigation into whether any member of Congress, Democrat or Republican, knew of and covered-up Foley's behavior, his resignation in disgrace should have been sufficient to satisfy anyone's bloodlust and the media barrage should have stopped. We face far more serious problems in this country than the sexual pecadillos of our representatives. Frankly, I have little interest in the sexualty activity of my elected officials unless they have done something illegal and, in Foley's case, he didn't; the page was of the age of consent in the District

Morality and Ethics

CSI RELIEF
FSIS
Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:43 AM

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This kind of action just shows the farther we get from our religious heretage the farther down we sink. Our laws were meant to govern a Moral population with religious beliefs and an ethical code. Over the years we have tended to become a diverse society of individuals that only beliece in "Me". What is the best for me? What's in it for me? We, the voters have tended to support and vote for the person that will do something for me and by doing so is worthy of my vote. In our country we, the population, have to put country, ethics, and morality back into government or there will be even fewer freedoms than we presently have. Maybe this is a shadowed call for term limits. Healthy debate has been used to eliminate a lot of things but, don't let our country be one of them.

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