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Retirement Investing And Historical Perspective

moving from fund to fund

Distribution Clerk
USPS
Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:33 AM

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As the stocks dropped in Feb 07 and we lost everything gained since beginning of year with no end in sight I moved from L-2020 to the G fund. I don't have time before retirment to make up a $12,000 loss like the last big drop. This time I cut my loss after $1900 until it starts coming back up, then I'll return to L-Funds. What's wrong with that? If the price is still low when I go back and I haven't lost more by staying in, I'm still ahead aren't I?

Re: moving from fund to fund

manager
USDA
Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:42 AM
If you have the ability to predict the future of the market, your idea is a good one. Stocks are up today about 100 points. When will you decide to move back into stocks? After they are up 100 points? Will you wait until they are up 500 points before putting your money back?

The key to your point is the statement that "If the price is still low when I go back...." A strong possibility is that you sold your L fund when it was low. When you buy it back, it is likely to be at a higher price. IN other words, there is a good chance, you will buy high and sell low.

The author's point in the article is that trying to time the market often results in a financial loss because investors use the same logic you are using in your comment. timing the market is difficult or impossible for investment professionals. for those of us who are not professional investors, it is probably a sure way to lose money.

Just my opinion...it's your retirement money so best of luck!

Re: moving from fund to fund

Analyst
DoD
Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:50 AM
If you're in the L-2020 fund you're in a fund designed for those with 10 to 15 years left before retirement. That's a long time to make up a short term stock loss.

Whether the price is still low at a certain point in time depends on what it does after that certain point in time. Since it's impossible to know for certain what's going to happen in the future your logic has a flaw. As the previous poster has mentioned, if you continue with your current thinking you're more likely to buy in when the prices are high and sell when the prices are low.

My recommendation is to evaluate if you're in the proper L fund based on your retirement age and trust the rules of math and probability built in based on the funds asset allocation. That's a much more dependable way to maximize long term returns than trying to predict the future in short term time frames.

Re: moving from fund to fund

hr specialist
interior
Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:54 AM
The DoD analyst has good advice for you. Smith's articles highlight the fact that most of us (can anyone?) time the market successfully over time. Trying to move your money in and out will usually result in doing exactly what was done by TSP investors back in 2002--they sold stocks and lost money just before a huge gain in the following months. The purpose of the L funds is to allow a person to put money into the fund and then let it ride until retirement without trying to guess what will happen next month or next quarter. Trying to do this will ususally result in stress and financial less.

Retirement investing and historical perspective

Program Analyst
GSA
Tue Mar 6, 2007 3:10 PM

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This is a good article. I think last week's stock plunge is also a good advertisement for the TSP L funds. Not very many people can time the market ups and downs. The L funds are a good way of diversifying TSP funds.

Dow Back Up

IT Specialist
DoD
Tue Mar 6, 2007 4:25 PM

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So now that the Dow gained 157 points today on good news in overseas markets, I guess the followers will start putting their money back in after all of their sell offs last week. Why not add to the losses a little bit more?!

different strokes..

retired
usda
Wed Mar 7, 2007 11:37 AM

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Everyone needs to make a decision based on their situation. In my case I retired in 06, have no plans to WD TSP funds right away, but also don't have 10-15 years to make up a loss. I was 35% in stocks, balance in G ( 65% ). I did move to 85/15 ratio when the stock market took a hit.

I don't know how smart this is but don't like the return of a 100% G fund like most retirees and people close to retirement get. But again I am dependent on these $$ to live day to day.

If I had 10-15 years to go I would be 100% stocks or an L fund.

By the way I lost a wad during the 2002 burp, but made it back and more since.

Thanks to all for all the advice and good articles.

Retirement investing and historical prospective

Electronics Tech
Fort Belvoir
Wed Mar 7, 2007 11:52 AM

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Great article. I learned the hard way to have a stronger stomach when it comes to downturns in the market. I wish someone would come out with a TSP for dummies book. I think the graphs you made available greatly enhances the points you have made.

Best Investment of all

Mr. Safety
U.S. Air Force
Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:08 AM

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I agree with the aritcle that trying to time the market in the TSP is a sure fire way to loose money. I know of a sure fire way to earn money and this works EVERY TIME it has been tried. PAY OFF DEBT. Every dollar in debt that you pay off (especially high interest consumer debt) is another dollar in your pocket and another dollar that will earn interest for you. Couple this with the advice in the article and I think you will be much further along in the retirement planning process.

Artilces by Ralph Smith

Account Manager
DOE contractor - Fluor Hanford
Thu Apr 5, 2007 12:36 PM

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I enjoy your articiles more than any others I get in either the FedSmith.com daily email or others that I receive. Keep up the great work. My wife is a career Fed, an SES for about 6 years, and I track items of interest for her.

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