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Federal Employees Unleashed! Readers Speak Out on Presidential Candidates

Potential Presidential Candidates

Manager
SSA
Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:47 AM

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If your sampling of quotes is truly representative, I am ashamed to be a Federal employee today.

It is frightening to see Feds who missed the fact that the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 and the Cold War is over. Socialists? Communists? Get over it. Is this what passes for "thinking" among Feds today?

Remember the OKC Federal Building bombing? It was carried out by former military types with the same mentaility as expressed in several of the comments. Frightening to think these people have taken an oath to defend the Constitution and yet have these extremist positions.

The Obama Muslim lie was a fiction created by Fox News and exposed in less than 24 hours by respectable news media as a complete lie, yet apparently some Feds get all their news from propaganda central without further thought.

I don't know that I support any of the top choices in your poll but I do know the reader responses are a shcoking commentary on how far from the mainstream many Feds seem to be.

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IT Specalist
DFAS
Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:35 AM
You're right on every point you made. It's sinful for so many Federal workers to be so hateful and misinformed. I really feel sorry for our country and our citizens.

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Management Analyst
USAG
Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:29 AM
Communism and socialism gone???? What about China and North Vietnam? Maybe you should watch Fox News so you can get the rest of the story.

And, if fox news is so disreputable, why do they have so many viewers and why are other main stream media programs trying to mimic them?

My father had always been a die hard democrate. He was always saying that Democrates help the working class. In his sixties he started watching Fox News. And, little by little he began to say "well you know that makes sense" or I didn't know about that. People should be given all the news/information and let them form their own opinion. That's the part liberals don't like - people thinking for themselves.

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Supervisory IT Specialist
US Coast Guard
Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:03 PM
Mainstream? Are you condemning the thoughts and expressions of these individuals because they aren't mainstream? I guess they're not "right thinking" are they? And I assume that your description of Fox news as propoganda central is the correct way to think? I bet the American flag graphic waving in the corner of the screen drives you just insane! If it's OK with you, and even if it isn't OK with you, let's just let Democracy work and allow the free expression of thoughts, outrage or protest be heard unfettered by the PC police.

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contracting officer
usaf
Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:52 PM
Sadly, these Feds comments shouldn't surprise anyone. Most of these folks are just regurgitating what Bill O'Rally said or what some redneck Southern Baptist or evangelical hypocrite spouted from the pulpit. These Bubba-fascists are all afraid of having a woman in charge or, God forbid, a minority!
The greatest irony is in people voting against their own self-interests & against the tenets of the US Constitution. Where's a good Libertarian when you need one? Unfortunately, Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance.

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IT Specalist
DFAS
Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:40 PM
For The Management Analyst - USAG:

I watch FOX, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, ABC and CBS. If you would watch more than 1 channel, then you would see more views to make a opinion on this subject. As bad as Bush has made it in Iraq and the rest of the world, we need the best American who can solve that problem. I don't care if it a Democratic or a Republican or a Libertarian or a woman or a minority. I feel sorry for our country.

It's still a long time from the 2008 election

HR Specialist
VA
Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:20 AM

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It's silly to get too passionate about the Presidential field this early in the election cycle. Think back to March, 1967, if you're old enough: would anyone have foreseen the candidacy of Eugene McCarthy; the assasination of Robert Kennedy; and the decision by LBJ not to run for reelection? In March, 1971, Edmund Muskie was the clear front-runner for the '72 Democrat nomination; later, George McGovern was the hottest thing going until he lost to Richard Nixon in a landslide (perhaps McGovern was the Barack Obama of his day?) No matter the election year, there's too much that can happen between "now and then" to get concerned one way or the other.

election choices

Case Administrator
US Courts, Atlanta, GA
Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:49 AM

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I certainly would not vote for Hillary or Obama. Hillary is worst than her husband which was caused the lack of respect in this country. Obama was raised as Islamic and would be selling out our country! I don't think I'd ever vote for any woman, especially Hillary! Probably McCain is the closest to my beliefs and would have my vote.

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Soon to be Retiree
HUD
Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:36 PM
Case Administrator
What evidence do you have that Obama was raised a Muslim and would sell out the country? The man lived in Indonesia, a Muslim country, for 4 years as a child below 10 years of age. He attended for 7 years a school that was founded by Congregational missionaries and now attends a United Church of Christ church....

2008 election

TPA
Dept of Defense
Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:57 AM

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Its to early to form an opion one way or the other. I just know for the first time since I have been old enough to vote I don't like any republican in the lineup. Depending on who gets the Democratic nomanation will depend on if I even vote but I neither Clinton or Obama impress me. I have to agree that it is to early to know whats going to happen, I would like to here about the other democratics tho. I am getting bored with Clinton and Obama. I do feel all of these people will tell us anything they think we want to hear to get elected. Has any past president lived up to his promises made durin a campagin?

Appalling Commentary on Presidential Candidates

Retired
IRS
Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:12 AM

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I was appalled and depressed to read the comments submitted by readers on the Presidential candidates. I too am not thrilled by the front-runners at this point, but the vitriolic and often ignorant comments by current and former feds indicates that they are just as uninformed and zealous as the general public. Just as an example, one reader asserted that Senator Obama is an "undercover radical islamic fascist and will invoke sharil law." Senator Obama belongs to a United Church of Christ congregation. This kind of ignorance leads me to hope that such people simply don't vote at all. So many comments criticized candidates for being too liberal or too conservative, and very few asked for candidates with constitutional knowledge. Our country is in big trouble right now and not because of individual issues like immigration and health care. Rather, the problems are the lack of open debate, commitment to democratic principles, and intelligent problem solving. None of the major candidates appear to be the answer, in my opinion.

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Contract Specialist
DoD
Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:57 AM
Retired IRS:

Bless your heart and your fully functioning intelligence. There seems to be a lot of that missing in the federal workplace these days. Whatever happened to the natural curiosity that propells individuals to get their information from several sources, not just one before they form opinions? We've known for many years that news agencies have "slants" when they report. Why would anyone want to go to just one source...unless they enjoy holding the village idiot title?

Comments on Presidential Candidates

Retired
USDA
Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:17 AM

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I am astounded! Many, if not most commenters, seem to favor Republicans!! Have you no eyes? Can you not see? Can you not read? Do you not realize that the last 6 years have brought America to the brink of ruin? Never have we had such a totally corrupt, dishonest, incompetent and thoroughly evil administration as this one!! NEVER!!

McCain is a Bush apologist---that alone is enough to make him POISON! Giuliani has a long trainload of baggage that will eventually roll over him---with God's help! Giuliani was a "good mayor" for about one week. Ask any thinking New Yorker!

If it means voting for "Socialist" Democrats or real Socialists, for that matter,---GIVE ALL REPUBLICANS THE BOOT--OR BOTH OF THEM! WE NEED A "PURIFICATION" IN WASHINGTON!!

However bad Democrats might prove to be, they are essential this time around!!

THINK, THINK, THINK!! And maybe, just maybe, with the help of God, we can undo the catastrophe that is/was George W. Bush and save our America!

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Supervisor
dod
Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:18 PM
Ok USDA, let me see if I understand your “brink of ruin” concept correctly here..
Over the last several years taxes have been down, housing has been booming, the stock market has been at historic highs, unemployment has been near historic lows.. All this despite an inherited recession and an attack on a major civilian population center on our own homeland (a one two punch that no administration in the last hundred years has had to deal with). Sure sounds like we need to change directions, huh?

Lay off the “poison” talk, the purification lines and your overdone drama and look at historical fact.

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Manager
govt
Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:21 PM
Retired USDA, do you REALLY think that only ONE party has corruption problems?? Lay off the partisan garbage and use your HEAD!

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IT Specialist
DoD
Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:56 PM
Sounds like you're the one who needs to think and open your eyes with that kind of provincial mentality. Republicans are no prize (not many politicians from either side are these days), but vitriolic name calling won't solve any of our country's problems. Put the Kool Aid down and wise up.

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IT Specalist
DFAS
Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:58 PM
For the Supervisor - DOD

What about Iraq? What about the Deficit? What about the Surplus? What about the KATRINA?

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Manager
SSA
Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:06 AM
Right, the Repuplicans are bad....let's get Hilary in there to fix us up - Hubby Bill could be named Minister of Ethics...

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Federal Employee
Various agencies
Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:32 AM
Katrina? Someone actually wants to blame Katrina on the Republicans? Ever heard of Mother Nature? And what bunch of brain trusts want to re-build a city that is naturally below sea level?

Regarding Iraq, have you noticed that the terrorists have not managed another attack on American soil since we took the fight to them? I think President Bush is doing a great job in fighting the war on terror. Now if we could only convince Congress and the President that an actual physical barrier across our southern border is the best way to defend ourselves from an invasion of illegals who come here for the freebies - medical treatment, education, subsidized housing and food, etc. and NOT to do jobs Americans "won't do," but rather jobs Americans "can't afford to do" 'cuz wages are depressed by illegals paid in cash (and therefore not paying income taxes of SS taxes) and laws that allow them, once legal, to bring in their whole family . . . . Give me THAT presidential candidate!

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Retired
USDA
Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:03 PM
DoD Supervisor

--Taxes down? For W's "Chosen People!" Not much for the rest of us! AND, our Dollar is now headed for Death Valley. China and Japan are our bankers!

--Housing? That loud noise you hear is housing going down the drain! Who will it take with it?

--Stock Market? There are about 55 Stock Markets in the world. Last year, America's were dead last!

--Every President should be so lucky as to inherit such a recession. When BUSH came in---we actually had surpluses!
Remember?

--There WERE two terrible attacks on our Homeland in 2001.
They were carried out and financed by Saudi Arabians: The great pals of the Bushes and Big Oil! Were those attacks PREVENTABLE? Only history will tell us! Bush won't!

You didn't mention them, but the two wars we're now losing, stealth inflation, and the poorest, most costly health care in ANY modern nation also deserve honorable mention in your administration's list of achievements.

THINK!! GIVE THESE BUMS THE BOOT!!

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HR Specialist
Small agency
Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:44 PM
I just wish Bush could run for a third term.

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Supervisor
dod
Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:45 PM
Ok Retired, let me make it simpler.. Your “W’s Chosen People” phrase is nice and dramatic but it doesn’t hold water in the world of hard economics. The top 10% of income earners pay over 50% of all income tax. How “Chosen” does that sound? This group also produces new jobs and keeps unemployment low (which has been at historical lows for several years now).

The U.S. market has hit all time highs during the past few years, that is beyond dispute. Don’t cloud the issue with other markets in the world unless you want the us to try to control all the world’s markets. Speaking of the recession, it started with the tech bubble decline in early 00, Bush didn’t get to submit his FIRST budget till Nov 01. That’s how things work. Then came 9/11.

You really think big oil and Bush were behind the attacks? Please.. conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen.

Is the current adminstration is without fault? No.. but to portray the situation as you have exposes you as a partisan hack.

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Specialist
DOE
Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:50 PM
Hey Retired, you think our health care system is bad?? Try going to Canada or some other socialized health care system and see how long you have to wait for the same care you get almost immediately in this country!!

You want Government controlled healthcare?? Look at the VA.... that's how the Govt runs health care. Is THAT what you want???

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admin
DHS
Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:54 PM
Question for Retired - If we have the poorest health care system in the modern world why are so many people coming into this country for treatment because they can't get the medical care they need in their own country?

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atty
doj
Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:42 AM
It's attitudes like USDA Retired's that make things worse. Screaming at the top of your lungs "Everything is the other side's fault" and calling them crooks and bums and buying into conspiracy theories is a noisy and attention getting platform but it's sadly lacking in credibility.

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IT Specialist
DoD
Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:57 PM
I'd suggest everybody not waste your breath on this discussion - you cannot reason with people like 'retired/USDA' as they are far too irrational for logical discussions. They will only see their facts and agendas and not ever open their minds to anything else. Sad, but that's the beauty of our free country this person so vehemently detests - we are all allowed to voice our opinions, no matter how illogical!

The candidates

Retired
IRS
Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:25 PM

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For all the the things said about Sen. Clinton I am surprised that Giuliani, a serial womanizer and McCain, a man who has never had an opinion that did not change to accommodate his audience, are looked upon highly. In fact most of the criticism laid upon Sen. Clinton could be placed on the Republican candidates. Why is it bad when a Democrat is strong but good if it is a Republican. They have certainly, over the past six years, showed us that they are experts in the abuse of power. We really need to say bye-bye to them, the sooner, the better.

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