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From Inside Government: Do Taxpayers Get a Good Return on Their Tax Dollars?

do taxpayers get a good return

social worker
VHA
Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:32 AM

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No-there is so much taxpayer dollars wasted it is unbelievable and when an employee brings it up to local management nothing is done and there is no real way/mechanism to bring it up to CO.I'll give just one(there are many) example and keep in mind I am an advocate on every level for our veterans.You get an elderly service connected veteran(gets a disability check from the VA every month) ranging from $500 to $2,700 a month.That veteran is placed in a veteran nursing home where he gets 100% 24/7 care payed by the VA.He is a widower and has only offspring who visit ccasionally or maybe are not interested at all.Although VA is paying 100% for his care he still gets deposited into his bank account the anywhere from $500 to $2700.He may never go to that account for any number of reasons(dementia,does not need the money as he has no costs,etc).Alot of money that goes to relatives who may not have cared about this vet at all.That is just one example of poor money management on part of gov't

Re: do taxpayers get a good return

IT Spec
IRS
Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:44 PM
First of all, the benefits received by these men are benefits that they earned by working until retirement. Just because I have dementia doesn't mean that money should go back to the government. These soldiers put up with a lot of BS to get that $500, and I don't believe that VA picks up 100% of the bill! I'm hearing from soldiers coming back that they can't even get in to see a therapist because of serious PTSD. And yet they are turning these guys out and making them run rings trying to get funding for there ills, this is America saying Thanks for Serving!

value for taxpayer's money

Fisheries Biologist
Forest Service
Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:38 AM

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Maybe once federal agencies start seeing drastic cuts in funding they will take a closer look at how they can spend taxpayers money more efficiently. My agency doesn't even have enough money to pay my salary; I am basically a contractor for the agency I work for and find funding for my position through grants and other agreements. The funding I receive and am responsible for spending is an excellent value for the taxpayer.

Doubtful

Program Assistant, Atlanta, GA
HUD
Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:50 AM

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In our agency I see more staff time wasted on protecting their job from disrespectful supervisors than doing their assignments. The other place there appears to be waste is staffs that are on the job but not doing the job assigned to them. Staff members constantly have to back up the less competent or lazy staff members. There appears to be waster in the past 5 years then when I came into the government. Staff members are not accountable for their time, which burn out the staff members who have to double their workload to cover for the staff who do not work.

Field vs. Administrators

Revenue Agent
IRS
Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:04 AM

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I have over 20 years of experince with the IRS and can tell you there is a lot of waste. Field Agents & Officers, who are the employees that actually assess & collect taxes, are the last to receive anything, including decent pay, computers, software. IRS chooses to spend the maj. of funds on "Adminstrative" types, who feed their growing numbers by devising more & more forms and clerical duties for Field R/As andR/Os to complete, causing a LOT of time to be spent OUT of our line of work. We also get the lowest pay; while employees at "Headquarters" advance rapidly; frequently with no degrees; many of them are emp. who could not cut it in the Field, but they then end up in "Anal-ist" positions or management. With less than a 1% audit rate, anyone can see what I am saying here. Two running jokes: 1.) R/Os wish they could receive a 10% commission on what they collect; 15% less than what private collectors get. 2.) At IRS, ADMINISTRATION OF THE MISSION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE MISSION.

Re: Field vs. Administrators

Human Resources Specialist (Employee Relations)
Department of Treasury
Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:26 AM
It depends on what the question is adressing. I, too, work for the IRS and the vast majority of employees are dedicated and work to do their best. They take their jobs seriously, work additional hours without comopensation, and are often lacking in the necessary equipment or supplies to work as efficiently as possible.
Unfortunately all Federal agencies report to a Congress
that has a political agenda in overseeing their budgets. In 1998 Congress greatly restricted the ability of Ithe IRS to collect taxes and it has often imposed budget cuts that have had a detrimental effect on the mission. Now Congress and the president have belatedly become aware that the IRS doesn't have the resources to function effectively. I'm sure all Federal agencies are impacted by which way the Congressional wind blows.
We as Federal employees should be proud of the work we do and frustrated that budgets, personnel, and agency missions are all subject to the political whims of the day.

Re: Field vs. Administrators

IRS Agent
IRS
Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:21 PM
TO REINFORCE WHAT WAS SAID IN THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE AND LATER REBUTTED BY THE IRS HUMAN RESOURCES PERSON; AGAIN, THIS PERSPECTIVE IS COMING FROM AN EMPLOYEE WHO DOES NOT GENERATE INCOME; HER/HIS SALARY IS COMING OUT OF OVERHEAD; WHICH FIELD PERSONNEL BASICALLY FUND.
HOWEVER HARD HE WORKS, OR HOW MUCH SHE WORKS OVERTIME, THEY ARE NOT PRODUCING REVENUE; THEY ARE REDUCING INCOME. A LESS THAN 1% AUDIT RATE IS RIDICULOUS WITH TOO MANY ADMIN. TYPES RUNNING LOOSE JUSTIFYING THEMSELVES WITH PAPERWORK. SECOND, I GUARANTEE, THAT BASED ON YOUR EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE, YOU ARE STILL BETTER PAID THAN THE FIELD PERSONNEL THAT ACTUALLY DO THE WORK MANDATED BY CONGRESS. MAYBE THE BUDGET IS ALWAYS SHORT BECAUSE THE FUNDS ARE SPENT ON THE WRONG TYPE OF EMPLOYEE...INCLUDING WHO GETS COMPUTERS. DID YOU KNOW THAT IRS IS NOW ISSUING BLACKBERRIES TO MANAGERS?? WHILE FIELD PERSONNEL ARE WORKING WITH COMPUTERS AND SYSTEMS THAT ARE LONG OUTDATED.

Re: Field vs. Administrators

Field Scientist
Army
Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:21 PM
Field IRS Tax Collector,

You present the scenario that the world rests upon your shoulders and revolves around your corner of Kansas (sorry Kansas, it's only a joke). Never forget that all federal employees take money, not generate it. We are a drain upon the economy, albeit necessary. You do not manufacture anything or generate wealth, therefore, you are also to be considered overhead. Thank heavens for the producers, farmers, etc in this country.

Re: Field vs. Administrators

Human Resources Specialist
Department of Treasury
Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:25 PM
IRS Revenue Agent, I was in the field for fifteen years and collected revenue. Your perspective that we are either black or white in terms of production is amazing.
First, you and I both know that journey level agents are GS-12 and above. Second, you are likely living in an area with a cheaper standard of lving. Third, buy your own health insurance, life insurance, annuity, etc. from the private sector and don't expect raises, WGI's, and performance awards because we bloated administrative types won't be around to process them if your view prevails. It is great when Federal employees disparage one another and make it much easier for Congress and/or the president to justify decreased COLAS, higher share of health insurance premiums, etc. As a true working class hero, I suspect you have to wipe the sweat of your brow each time you are encumbered with paperwork that prevents you from doing the "real" work. The laptop I use is six years old; it's quite a perk.

Re: Field vs. Administrators

Human Resources Specialist
Department of Treasury
Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:30 PM
One other comment. Congress and the American people fund the IRS, not field or national office personnel. You and every other Federal employee, as well as other members of the public, fund the government through our withholding. Given that the majority of us properly file our returns and pay withholding under a voluntary tax system, you are limited in the funds you assess or collect.

A good return on our tax dollars

Admin.
FSA
Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:23 AM

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Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha. This is a joke, right?

waste of tax dollars on Corporate welfare etc

Mil Pers Tech
DOD
Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:50 AM

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Corporate welfare i.e. Farm subsidies for large corporate farms to not grow certain / specific products is a huge waste of taxpayers dollars.
There are also too many Government agencies who have caved into the demands of Big Business and which no longer seem to be effective: (i.e. OSHA who no longer gives a darned about the safety & health of the people but will protect big business' welfare at all cost. Another is the Food & Drug Admin. who is controlled (it seems) by Big Pharmasutical companies etc. Hell, Their hands seem to be tied even on the numbers of food import inspections they can perform). Maybe We should do away with them or Require that they begin to perform their intended functions and earn the money set aside for their existance rather than protecting Big Business' interests.

Re: waste of tax dollars on Corporate welfare etc

HR Specialist
DoD
Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:16 AM
The problem, from my perspective, is that America is becoming a welfare state with Uncle Sugar handing out the goodies through Congress. We no longer have a government that provides freedom and political stabilitly; we use government to try and dictate "fairness" and "equity"; we penalize those who are successful by demonizing them and blame those who work hard and achieve some prominence or financial success for the failures of others.

In short, we have abrogated the idea of personal responsibility and work hard to put the blame on others through legislation, lawsuits, grievances, etc. The result is trillions going to the federal government in taxes but there is never enough to make everyone happy, and there never will be, despite being the richest country the world has ever known.

Do taxpayers get a fair return on their tax money

Former Assistant U.S. Attorney
U.S. Attorney's Office
Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:44 PM

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I worked thousands of hours of uncompensated overtime over my federal career. The federal taxpayer
clearly got his/her tax money's worth from me. I was self-motivated to do a great job as to all the cases I handled and spent the time and energy necessary to get the job done properly, no matter how many extra hours I had to spend on the evenings and weekends. I would say that budget cutbacks because of the drain of the war resulted in great losses of support assistance. Frankly, the amount of time I had to spend doing secretarial work during 2003-2005 was a waste of taxpayer money. However, it was necessary to get the job done. I retired two years ago and do not miss the job at all, except for the sense of accomplishing justice and doing a complete job which were always the motivating factors for me. I always hated the public perception that federal employees were lazy and did not work. Not true!

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