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Is a Dress Code An Anachronism or Useful Tool in Projecting an Agency's Image?

The way some agencies dress!

retired civil engineer
usfs
Tue May 22, 2007 8:09 PM

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The ___? generation may feel comfortable with themselves "hey, doesn't effect my work". The reality is that the public perception, even if they are dressed so casual, is that feds are slobs and what can I expect from a slob!

Dress Code

Analyst
USDA
Wed May 23, 2007 6:20 AM

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On Monday, I went over to another office and as I was entering the office I saw a female with jeans that were below her waist. When she turned around there to place something in an overhead file, I noticed that there was a tatoo of a butterfly right at the top of her rear end. She was showing more than the plumber! This was totally inappropriate for a business office. I've seen this "look" several times recently - very, very low rider jeans, skirts, and dress pants that show off tatoos at the lower back. The only thing is in showing the lower back they are also showing "the plumber's crack." This is NOT business attire.

Re: Dress Code

Federal Employee
Treasury
Wed May 23, 2007 11:08 AM
I have a coworker who has a tatoo that is clearly visible when she wears a blouse with a plunging neckline (are you getting a mental picture?). I've begun commenting on the "nice ink" figuring that if she didn't want us to see it, she would wear something appropriate that would keep it from plain sight. She always looks embarrassed when I comment on it, but as we are both women and it is clearly visible, hope I am on safe ground from a harrassment complaint. The men are generally afraid to say anything for fear of a complaint, but I have actually been asked to send female coworkers home to put a blouse on under the revealing vest or a jacket over the see-through blouse.

Dress code? What dress code? Unless their second job is as a cocktail waitress in Vegas, they need to cover it up. And sorry for insulting the Vegas waitresses!

Zig Ziglar

Gov Worker
DOD
Wed May 23, 2007 6:26 AM

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Zig Ziglar once said that even if you work from home you should dress for work. If you look Professional you will feel professional, and it will translate into your work. I think for some people that is true, but not for everyone. In a production environment staring at a computer all day, clothes are secondary. I know some of the best dressed folks in the Bldg are the worst performers.

Dressing for Success

Contracting Officer
DOD
Wed May 23, 2007 7:29 AM

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I hesitate to see the return of dress codes. We have enough fashion police in my agency! While I agree that all parts should be covered and that one needs to dress for meetings, the fashion wars that broke out around here a few years ago became brutal.

Women in my office spent a huge amount of time picking at each others outfits. I still am amazed at the ease some people have at making snide comments. We were treated to "fashion shows" in my bosses office on exactly what constitutes business casual, with the boss modeling her conception. Give me a break! Purses, shoes and any other item were fair game for criticism. Lets try focusing on the work and try and keep some sense regarding attire!

Re: Dressing for Success

Analyst
USDA
Wed May 23, 2007 9:25 AM
You have not seen what I have seen. Any less and some of these people would be downright naked! Sheer see-through blouses, skimpy shorts, and pants that hang down low are not appropriate for the office. Neither are flip flops and sandals. There appears to be a trememdous amount of folks who don't know what "business attire" is.

Is a Dress Code An Anachronism or Useful Tool in Projecting an Agency's Image?

Administrative Assistant
GSA
Wed May 23, 2007 7:35 AM

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I am occasionally embarassed for the Agency at what some people wear to work. There is a great lack of discretion in what workers believe is "business casual". Sweats and bedroom slippers, barely there tops and short shorts or pants so baggy they have to be held up do not belong in a federal or any office. Some clothing and shoes are definite safety hazards if an emergency required evacuation. There are very few exceptions where a worker can dress down and be considered "dressed appropriate". Sadly, management does nothing to correct these issues until someone has a "clothing malfunction" and it causes media notice. Most agencies do not have a written dress code so there is nothing to use as a basic guide unless everyone wears uniforms.

Re: Is a Dress Code An Anachronism or Useful Tool in Projecting an Agency's Image?

Federal Employee
Another Government Agency
Wed May 23, 2007 7:55 AM
Don't just blame it on management. A stupid union took an agency's dress code to arbitration a few years ago, fortunately they lost but the fact they took it displayed apalling irresponsibility.

Dress Code

Logistics Analyst
DOD
Wed May 23, 2007 7:43 AM

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Some believe that when they hear they have an image problem they think of how they look. Image problems are not how they look, but how they perform. When you look into a mirror, you have to look past the reflection.

Re: Dress Code

HR Director (Retired)
Department of the Air Force
Thu May 24, 2007 9:33 AM
It is not that simple. The reality is that both performance and image affect how workers, federal and non federal, are precieved by those they work with and those the serve. All jobs, like it or not, have a publicly precieved dress code, i.e., a suit and tie don't fit the public preception of a good aircraft mechanic just like flip flops and tank tops don't fit the acceptable public image of an effective HR specialist, loggie or any other white collar employee. Employees and employers should remember the importance of first impressions and that what most of us see first is not performance but dress.

Dont' Dress for Success?

Technician
DFAS
Wed May 23, 2007 7:55 AM

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Do men ever get jealous of the way other men dress as some women do? I know a couple of women in the office who dress nice (dress slacks, nice blouses, shoes, etc.) but occasionally get questioned by other women who dress more casually. These women do not pay top dollar for their nicer clothes (they buy at the seasonal mark downs), but still they can sense the negativity. Is it just a woman thing?

Re: Dont' Dress for Success?

Equipment Specialist
DoD
Wed May 23, 2007 8:12 AM
It isn't just a a woman thing. I started civil service as a GS-11 in a setting with other equipment specialists/subject matter experts. I chose to wear dress slacks, oxford shirts, and a tie one or two days in the week. I too got questioned by the guys about why I was making them look bad with how I dressed. I agree with a previous post, a general perception about Feds being slobs is too much of a reach.

Re: Dont' Dress for Success?

HR specialist
retired
Wed May 23, 2007 8:33 AM
I think it's acceptable in our culture/society for men and women to comment on how women dress. And the fact that women have more options, and some of those options are provocative, fuel discussions. I remember helping managers deal with inappropriate attire - and the cases always involved young women who were new to the workplace and were distracting everyone with their skimpy outfits. It was never a matter of stylish or expensive attire was; I never heard comments along those lines.

Re: Dont' Dress for Success?

Fed
DoD
Fri May 25, 2007 7:38 AM
I too am appalled at the lack of common sense in business dress, especially by younger (under 35) workers.

I went to a meeting of all colleagues here at our AFB--and I was the only woman there w/makeup and pantyhose! There were even some women closer to my age (well over 35) who looked like they'd dressed to go bowling!

You don't need a lot of $$ to dress well; a few slacks, shirts and skirts to mix and match, throw in some shoes and you're in business. And if you stick to classics like I do, you'll wear them forever; I have 2 pantsuits that I love that I bought 6 yrs ago, and I'll wear them for the next 10 yrs if they hold up.

When I was at that meeting, I too got a lot of glances, but only b/c I really stood out and I looked great. I look at it this way: perhaps they don't respect themselves, but I respect myself and the way I look--and by looking professional, I'm treated accordingly. Clothes DO make the man (and woman).
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