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The TSP Pot is Growing Fast: Will Congress Resist the Political Opportunities?

TSP

retired Fed
retired Fed
Wed Jun 6, 2007 8:44 AM

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Congress, you've run Social Security out money. Keep your hands away from my TSP!

Re: TSP

Reservist
DOD
Wed Jun 6, 2007 11:27 AM
If we go down the road of only permitting TSP to invest in so-called "socially responsible" investments all is lost. Every group with every conceivable wrong will demand that their offending investment be banned to TSP investors. Gone are investments in companies involved with alcohol, tobacco, firearms, casinos, big oil, big pharma, defense contractors, companies that do animal-medical research, did business with pre-WWII German companies, supposedly promote Civil War Confederate heritage, allegedly fail to promote women, minorities, gays, transgenders, those that fight unions, have too big a "carbon footprint," discriminate against the obese, donate to the "wrong" Political Action Committee (PAC), fail to pay a so-called "living wage," fail to serve vegitarian meals in the company cafeteria, and those that are generally "insensitive" to workers, etc. The S&P 500 will become TSP's S&P 176--excluding all the "bad" companies. Time to look for a new investment vehicle--TSP is DONE!

Re: TSP

AUSA
DOJ
Wed Jun 6, 2007 5:03 PM
Just wait for the far-left to argue that it is "socially responsible" to overweight investments in medical supply companies that sell surgical equipment to abortion clinics to uphold the "unquestionable moral right of every woman to seek an abortion on demand. " Just wait for the far-right to argue that it is "socially responsible" to overweight investments in publishing houses that sell the Bible and the Book of Morman across our land to reinforce the "moral absolute of aggressively promoting Christian values to all of America." The political debates in Congress today will slowly become TSP investment strategy tomorrow. Oh yes, TSP will become a political football--and, by the way, watch your investment returns plunge. Just forget retirement!

Re: TSP

Manager
DHS
Thu Jun 7, 2007 11:03 AM
Suggest that, while she is at it, Ms. White also look into the Congressional pension fund and impose that same restrictions she is suggesting for TSP. I can guarantee you that will not happen. And she gets hers, no matter what. We have to work for a living. Talk about a gang that should be outlawed. The Robbing Hoods.

Keep Government Out

IT Specialist
DoD
Wed Jun 6, 2007 8:50 AM

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If Congress were to enact even half of the regulations Smith outlines in this article (removing politically incorrect companies, removing companies that allegedly contribute to global warming), there probably wouldn't be much left to invest in within the TSP. Excessive government regulation of anything generally leads to disaster and the TSP would be no exception.

TSP

Secretary
Federal Aviation Administration
Wed Jun 6, 2007 9:09 AM

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Socially Responsible - yes - but not as defined by Congress. Congress is not to be trusted.

Re: TSP

WORKER
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Wed Jun 6, 2007 5:22 PM
defined by whom?

Re: TSP

WITHHELD
WITHHELD
Wed Jun 6, 2007 6:02 PM
Thinking retirement? Think again.

sacred trust

Mil Pers Tech
DOD
Wed Jun 6, 2007 9:15 AM

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There are some things that should be sacred. Retirement funds should be one of them. Neather Congress nor any other entity of our government should have access to what workers contribute to their retirement . Even if a TSP fund contribution is matched partially by the government, that was the incentive for people to save and be more responsible for their own future retirement. If it is vulnerable to government interference, usage etc. it becomes a much less secure vehicle for investment. Government, Congress, KEEP A YOU HANDS OFFA !!! I would like to enjoy the retirement I planed and sacraficed for. I don't want you to control or manipulate what I have invested. That portion which the government matches for FERS employees was under an agreement as incentive for employment in the government and to help provide a more secure future for the employee. You start screwing with it an you betray any established trust .

TSP and Congress

Financial Analyst
DoD
Wed Jun 6, 2007 9:17 AM

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NO. A thousand times NO!! First, Congress should not tell TSP what to invest in. Secondly, Congress should NOT borrow from TSP to fund this or that cause, no matter how good the cause. It is bad enough that Congress dips into Social Security. No governmental organization/body can take care of every need that arises. They, especially Congress, need to learn to live within the confines of money they receive. Do you and I have access to someone else's money to promote/fund our pet projects? I think not.

Re: TSP and Congress

Withheld
Withheld
Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:03 AM
Hold the phone, who did you borrow money from to buy your house, car, boat? We use other people's money all the time, but I have to admit, I do not want Congress using my 401K...TSP.

Re: TSP and Congress

Managment Analyst
Garrison
Fri May 2, 2008 2:06 PM
People may borrow money to buy houses, cars, etc. But, the two parties involved entered into the agreement willingly. In the case of TSP, you have a 3rd Party, the government, taking my money to loan to someone else. And, believe me I do not want the government touching my money. If I want to loan money to someone, I'll decide without the help of the Federal Government. I don't want them helping me like they helped Social Security.

Read it again

IT Expert
DoD
Wed Jun 6, 2007 9:24 AM

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You make it sound like they are giving our money to social causes and nothing could be further from the truth. They want to offer federal employees the option to invest in things that do not help our enemies and do not support terrorists. They do not have to invest in anything they do not want to.

For the people in FERS that TSP money is off limits to congress by law. But for CSRS you might have something to worry about as congress has the right to modify your terms and conditions and even deny you further investing in the TSP.

Re: Read it again

Human Resources Specialist
OS
Thu Jun 7, 2007 10:19 AM
I would be interested to know where to find a law that says the Federal Government cannot take money. I am sure that there are laws in place now that says that they cannot take Social Security money but they do it everyday! They make and break the laws all the time. FERS employees are already getting the short end of the stick - they need to leave our money alone!

Who can define Socially Responsible, If TSP is not broke, do not fix it.

Engineer
USDA
Wed Jun 6, 2007 9:24 AM

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Not everyone has the same views about what is socially responsible. Not everyone agrees on the abortion topic, not everyone agrees on the environmental issues, not everyone agrees on the death penalty, not everyone agrees on stem cell research, etc... So, even congress is going to debate about what companies are "socially responsible" based on individual views. If congress makes a list of companies that have contributed in some way to objectionable activities and removes them from the TSP, there will still be objection from those that that feel differently of the above listed issues. The only way to make this fair is to give more choices, which could or could not have impacts on TSP investors. Let investors pick what they invest in.
The best thing is to LEAVE IT ALONE! Why change something that is work well. Do not fix it if it is not broke.

Re: Who can define Socially Responsible, If TSP is not broke, do not fix it.

Human Resources Specialist
OS
Thu Jun 7, 2007 10:27 AM
I fully agree. Congress should not be able to use money that is not there's to fix the problems of the world (result of their bad judgement). Federal employees should not have to pay taxes, hirer insurance rates, etc. and still provide a slush fund that can be used to bail them out. We cannot run our personal checkbooks into the red and "borrow" money from a slush fund created by other people to fix. It is shameful how much money is wasted and not accounted for - just shameful. Perhaps if they managed the money better we would not have the deficit we have now.
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