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Dress Codes, Tattoos, and Federal Employees: A Brave New World

Dress Code/Personal Hygiene

Administrative Assistant
Department of Veteran Affairs
Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:45 AM

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Personal Hygiene/dress code is a real problem at our facility. Policies should be put in place to cover these issues. Some areas will address the issue but others just ignore the problem. I totally agree with your article. Employees should be clean, dress neatly and appropriate for the job and cheerful breath should be the norm. The monumental problem of personal hygiene is a serious issue and should be taken seriously by the supervisor. Perfume in patient care areas is unacceptable. Staff who wear perfume should be very discreet due to allergies of staff, visitors, patients and families. Supervisors just don't want to tackle these issues. Shame on them for being afraid to talk to staff with this problem. Maybe they shouldn't be supervisors.

Re: Dress Code/Personal Hygiene

Reformed Conservative
DFAS
Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:10 AM
I am also bothered by nurses with long talons. Not only are they probably incompetent (the Sally Hansen Corollary) but you have no way to see under the long curling nail and see how clean it is. While I'm not a big fan of dress codes, I do think medical personnel should be required to keep their fingernails cut.

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Budget Analyst
USDA
Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:12 AM
As a former employee of the VA Medical Center, I was appalled at the lackadasical attitude of the employees. I couldn't tell the difference between the patients and employees. It was very common to see employees in a pair of worn tattered jeans and t-shirt (even the women) on a daily basis. There was nothing professional about the appearance of most and definite lack of pride. The dress went from one extreme to another -- sweat suits, gym wear, baseball caps, short mini-skirts, low cut, skin tight tops, tennis shoes, flip-flops. A dress code in that place was certainly warranted.

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LERS
DOD
Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:16 AM
As a former VA employee, long finger nails for a health care workers is against agency policy. Long finger nails can hold diseases and are considered unclean.

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Reformed Conservative
DFAS
Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:54 AM
LERS, former VA employee, I am glad to hear it! Now if civilian doctors and hospitals would just follow suit!

Re: Dress Code/Personal Hygiene

Analyst
USDA
Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:51 PM
I think that we may be able to get away with the dress code, but come on - how are you going to address the smell of one's breath during the after lunch meetings? You can't expect to put that in the Dress Code. I think that I can deal with the after lunch bad breath by offering the person a breath mint. What I don't want to deal with is inappropriate dress, dirty clothes, and body odor early in the morning.

shouldn't be supervisors

HR Specialist
CHRA for the Army
Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:12 AM

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Yes, every problem stems from too many people who are supervisors who shouldn't be. They don't want to counsel, discipline, enforce the rules, etc. That is why we are stuck with NSPS also. Supervisors would shrug their shoulders and blame the system although there were always many ways to discipline and reward people. With NSPS, they will still say, "Can't do it!" (instead of, "I won't do it")when they truth is they don't have the determination and heart to deal with problem employees.

DRESS CODE

SUPPLY TECHNICIAN
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NAVAL BASE
Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:12 AM

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Yes, I agree for the most part we all should be considerate of wearing perfumes/colognes at your facility none. My biggest gripe is the attire that is being allowed by management they admire the cut off shorts or belly being exposed and breasts being exposed with low shirts especially by the contractors, it is very unsat. I don't agree with time changes in the world, they are forgetting the professionalism should remain in the workplace, where is the regualations? I really wish they would step up and do the right thing.

Tattoes & Body Piercing Distasteful

SSS
Forest Service
Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:22 AM

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I personally hate to see body piercing anywhere except the ears and tattoes that cover a large area of the body. Very small tattoes are ok. When I go to a restaurant to eat and I see employees covered with body piercing or tattoes, I leave. I can't help it because I just feel like the food is nasty. I guess hepatitis and aids comes to my mind. I've tried to get over it but can't. I ate at the Hard Rock Cafe once to try to get over this but the more I ate the bigger the food became and I just couldn't swallow the food or the idea of tattoes and body piercing. So if other eateries chose to go this route then I will only eat at home.

Re: Tattoes & Body Piercing Distasteful

Nameless, faceless nobody
DOD
Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:01 AM
I think increased body art is here to stay. I am a grandmother who dresses cleanly and comfortably. I don't wear a skirt suit, nylons, or pumps. I long ago decided that the "look" wasn't worth the pain.

Any extreme usually speaks of a problem. The guy with multiple piercings all over his face, for instance, has a glitch somewhere but may still be very talented at what he does. Someone who cannot eat because of another's tatoo or piercing is similarly glitched. For the most part neither one will suffer much and life will go on.

As to the perfume issue...well, that one is truly health related as those with allergies, asthma, migraines, etc, can actually be harmed by perfumes.

In a few years we will find out if the current tatoos & piercings are a fad or something that will go mainstream. I see respectable businessmen here with a stud in their ear and longer hair cuts than their military counterparts. All very neat and acceptable.

Re: Tattoes & Body Piercing Distasteful

employee
VA
Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:53 AM
I am posting this comment in response to the individual who can not eat in a restaurant where there are employees with full body tattoos. I don’t wear tattoos and I will never wear tattoos. I am a 57 year old woman. I find it quiet disturbing that person would think the food is nasty because one of the servers has a full body tattoo. How does poor hygiene relate to tattoos? I think persons who have this problem are socially uppity people. I definitely find the writer of the article disturbing. I bet she/he leaves restaurants for other reasons too like the race or nationality or perceived sexual orientation, weight, blond hair vs ethnic hair, lack of blue eyes and etc of persons who is serving. The person who wrote this thinks he/he is all that. HUM! Apparently the person is not aware that young people today are into tattoos in a major way. Kids from areas of society!!!!!! Kids with good education, all national and racial backgrounds, poor, rich, etc.

Re: Tattoes & Body Piercing Distasteful

Program Analyst
OPM
Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:42 AM
In the early '70s I went through a period when I left my white collar life, during which I had a bird tattooed on my right forearm. For the next 20 years everytime I started a new white collar job which moved my career forward I was very careful to wear long sleeves for the first year. After that my competence and work ethic overrode any issues with my tattoo. Now, I don't even both to hide it, unless I am attending a high level meeting with strangers. I find it starts many pleasant conversations and many people think it is kinda neat for a 60 year old to be tattooed. I would never consider having one on my face or neck or anyplace else where I could not hide it if I thought appropriate. I am certainly more concerned with are my clothes and shoes clean, neat and appropriate, and my personnel hygiene then my tattoo.

Oh - and to the lady who can not eat in restaurants with tattooed employees - believe me when I say soap works just as well on tattooed skin as on non tattooed skin!

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Thorn in the Side
DOD
Tue Jul 1, 2008 10:01 AM
I can sympathize with someone who is too grossed out to eat when s/he sees huge tattoos on the server. Have you ever tried to eat at the table next to someone with disgusting table manners? I've had to leave a place or ask for another seat to avoid vomiting.
And what's this "thinks they're all that" stuff? If you don't feel the same way, fine, but it is a reasonable reaction and has nothing to do with being "all that" (dumb figure of speech anyway).

a simple comment

Observer of Human Nature
One of many
Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:29 AM

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A subject that cannot be discussed without subjective comment... "ouch".

While I Agree...

Fed
DoD
Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:57 AM

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w/all posters, I think what should be done is to propose a dress code unless all workers arrive for duty in appropriate attire.

I'm appalled that this is even an issue, but I know what everyone is talking about. Even I will come to work in jeans, but I know better than to expose myself publicly. I come to work to WORK. I also work in a professional job, but I'm aghast at what some of my colleagues consider appropriate office wear. Most of them are younger than I (under age 40), but that's still no excuse.

The tats and piercings suggest that these are younger feds. I wonder how they'll feel in 20 yrs and still be forced to wear the folly of their youth. Even I gave up my head scarves long ago--it's called "growing up."

Dress Code

Retired
USFS
Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:18 AM

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I thought fragrances such as personal perfume, incense, or scented candles were kept in check because of the ADA. So many people are sensitive to fragrances.

Re: Dress Code

Analyst
IRS
Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:57 AM
Unfortunately Federal buildings have not put a check on on personal perfume, cologne, scented lotions, etc. It's out of control, not to say disruptive. I have suffered for years and every time I have raised the issue, employee's just use more. They claim it's a rights issue and that we can't take away their rights. It's not about rights, it's about being considerate of your co-workers. Private industry is way ahead of us on this one.
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