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When Bad Supervisors Happen to Good People: The Price of Poor Supervision

Excellent article

Scientist
EPA
Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:29 AM

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Probably one of the best articles I have ever seen on FedSmith. Now, how do we address these issues?

NEPOTISM

PRODUCT SPECIALIST
DSCP
Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:41 AM

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while its true that inexperienced managers, less than motivated managers and the "my way or the highway" type mangers create problems like turnover, morale problems and inneffieciency, i believe one of the largest problems especially within the government system is nepotism. high ranking managers calling in favors of others to place their inexperienced family members into key positions is undermining the entire system and creating attitudes within the workforce which are never going to be able to be repaired. i would like to see an article address this issue.

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Former Injury Comp Clerk
DoD
Thu Aug 9, 2007 6:01 PM
We have a similar problem here with senior military officers and NCO's retiring and floating straight into a high-GS Fed job. They bring their Army attitude with them, and can't seem to get their minds around the fact that there are people on this earth who are not soldiers. Forget about constructive criticism; the response is always "Hey guy, I was a Sergeant-Major!" I swear, if they thought they could get away with making us do pushups and stand at attention, they wouldn't hesitate.

We need to reinstate the 1-year cooling off period for these jokers.

Very Good Article

IT Expert
DoD
Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:51 AM

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The most common aggravating thing I have seen is managers that angrily reprimand an employee for constructive criticism in a meeting, but would sit idly by and do nothing to an employee was not accomplishing anything or even doing his job - even if it bothered all the other employees in the department.

Re: Very Good Article

CLERK
VA
Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:20 PM
i second emotion this i have seen this go on for years of light duty, and the people who work get penalised when they say something.

When bad supervisors happen to good employees

Supv HR Specialist
DoD
Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:57 AM

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I believe that most of us supervisors want and strive to do a good job, but sometimes the difficulty is not a lack of training or intestinal fortitude to deal with performance and conduct problems. Sometimes a good supervisor takes the initiative to correct a situation but doesn't get the support from his/her upchain. This lack of support leaves others with the impression, however incorrect, that the supervisor is bad. That perception is not easily corrected and most times it is simply ignored. The result is that the supervisor is branded as "bad" by peers and subordinates alike. I'd like to see an article about that dynamic, as well as one about what happens when bad employees happen to good supervisors. Many good supervisors have stepped back into non-supervisory roles because of these types of situations. What a loss that can be to the organization.

Bad is not the word!

Government worker
DoD
Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:02 AM

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Good Write-up Steve!
I have been a federal employee for 33 years and I have had some great managers/supervisors in my time. Then I have had some that were just pains but I must admit even those were nothing nor can they hold a candle to the ones today. We are told to use the "CHAIN" but no one can seem to answer questions about whom do we go to if the "CHAIN" IS THE PROBLEM? I have asked for trainings directly connected to my function but I was told in writing that I was not allowed to have this advantage. I guess if you speak your mind and tell the truth about things in the Government you are blackballed from any advancement/promotion or information passing that allows you to gain in and maintain your duties. Some of us find out by mistake what is changing but months after the fact. Managers/Supervisors seem to be the ones from past non-productive jobs but were pushed up so the department would not have to deal with them. NOW THEY ARE SUPERVISORS of GOOD workers which destroy us!

Re: Bad is not the word!

Fed
DoD
Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:41 AM
Speak up or stand out--that's the ? that almost all feds confront when they have a bad-supvr situation. Do you speak up about it through avenues of redress (grievance, complaint, ULP, et al)? Or do you shut up and eat it?

My theory is, it's happening to you anyway, so you may as well speak up. If that supvr is gunning for you, you're not promotable anyway, so say something about it.

Having been through this more than once--and I'm an outstanding worker, BTW, w/awards and recognition to show for it until encountering these misfits--the greatest lesson I've learned is that there's more than 1 way to win.

I went through 1 appeal and lost--but got everything I asked for: that's a victory. I went through another and lost--but the bad supvr left: that's winning.

I've long since lost my promotability, but I now represent other workers, something I find very fulfilling and interesting--AND I also stay on top of my job. So virtue is its own reward, I guess.

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WG worker
DoD
Thu Aug 9, 2007 10:59 AM
Fed- DoDE....I loved that comment about using the system to file a formal complaint. I watched as a military type that was my wife's supervisor do eveything he could to destroy my wife's career. When she finally stood up and went to the union, she was told that she might as well just put up with it till she could find a new job. As far as the union reps here at Mac Dill were concerned, they would always side with the employer.

Re: Bad is not the word!

Fed
DoD
Thu Aug 9, 2007 1:46 PM
DoD/WG--I'm sorry to hear about your wife's bad experience. But just as there are good/bad wkrs and supvrs, there are good and bad unions.

I hope your wife got through it OK, but I too learned that lesson the hard way. Things finally changed when I encountered union people who knew what they were doing and who cared. That so motivated me that I became a steward and, later on, an officer.

Most feds don't learn about their appeal rights and how to use them til it's too late, the problem has escalated--and then they don't know if their reps know what they're doing. Not knowing your wife's situation, I don't know what she could've done. But I do know that to fight the system, you have to go through and use that system--IF the aggrieved indeed has valid grounds for fighting.

I hope your wife has since landed on her feet, b/c I know how traumatic that experience can be.

Jealousy

Financial Analyst
USDA
Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:10 AM

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I had a supervisor at the VA Medical Center who was so jealous of me that I became her main focus. She did everything in her power to destroy me and push me out the door. She could never find anything to "get me on," which really frustrated her. I loved my job and what I did, but eventually succumbed to her hostility and badgering by leaving. I was an outstanding employee, received multiple awards during my tenure at the VA, which initiated her jealousy. She was jealous of my appearance, my work ethic, my constant compliments by patients and hospital staff. She was nothing more than a cracked egg. She had outbursts of anger, using vulgarity and telling employees to "shut up and sit the "F" down." Because of HER, the VA lost a valuable employee...ME.

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Social Worker
Department of Defense
Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:46 AM
Right on! The only individuals who can stand up to the noxious female supervisors are female employees. In our politically correct work environment, a man will be blown out of the water, but you can file the hostile working conditions and the harassment charges, or the health and safety violations. Think of the other women coming behind you. Of course, it helps to do it during your last week on duty before you transfer out, right before you turn off the light switch in your office. That way you can avoid "Cruella's" predictable reprisals.

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Property Management Specialist
USDA
Thu Aug 9, 2007 10:06 AM
And we're glad to have you.

Praaise and Request to Reproduce

Employee Realtions Advisor
US Forest Service
Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:30 AM

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Steve, after 37 years you have said it all, as I have worked for the worst and the best supervisors. I have always tried to model myself as a supervisor with the best because what made me feel good as an employee would certainly work for others. Even now after 37 years when I dont get treated with respect or have my questions answered I get those same raw feelings about my employment. In my job as an ER Advisor I would like permission to reproduce this article and the ones that will follow in this series to my supervisors and managers. Thanks

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