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Why Are the 2008 Salary Adjustments So Unfair?

Salary Caps

Analyst
Treasury
Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:53 AM

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Be careful of what you wish for, you may end up pay-banded.

Re: Salary Caps

Inspector
Government Aviation
Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:59 AM
I agree. Pay banding is terrible. I was Pay banded in my last position and it was a very flawed system. At least you get a raise under GS. Performance based pay systems are a load of garbage. Whoever brown-nosed the boss the best received the raise. In theory the system would work, but in reality if is a very poor system and I feel for those who are forced to work under it.

What about NSPS Personnel?

Security Specialist
DoD
Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:29 AM

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Are you going to give any information concerning pay raises and locality pay, or lack of, for those of us who have been cycled into the totally unfair NSPS system? Those people who are lucky enough to still be GS employees should be thankful they are even getting a pay raise, because when they, too, are cycled into NSPS, they will know the meaning of unfair. We hear we are only getting one-half of the raise GS personnel are getting, and the other half of OUR raise is going into a pay pool for pay-pool members to distribute as they see fit. Our supervisors, who know our abilities and what we accomplish, no longer make the decision who gets an award or bonus. It's all up to the pay pool to decide who gets a raise and who doesn't. If we, and our supervisors, are not articulate enough to toot our own horn and impress the pay pool, we are out of luck. And next year - we get no across the board pay raise at all. GS'ers, consider yourselves lucky and run like heck if they mention NSPS.

Re: What about NSPS Personnel?

ITT Specialist
Army
Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:12 PM
Everyone really need to stop bitchin. I want to go NSPS but am stuck as a GS. Number one, NSPS employees get one half the pay raise as GS. BUT!, based upon your performance is what additional payraise you will get from your local pay pool. I think those who are complaining are old folgies who just want to collect a paycheck until they retire. I am a GS-12 Step 2 and work hard. My pay would reflect that in the NSPS program.

Re: What about NSPS Personnel?

Quality Assurance Specialist
CNATRA
Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:13 AM
Let me shed some light on NSPS. Our organization just went under NSPS and it is the owrst system for morale I have ever seen. Sixty percent of our employees only got 2.8% pay raise and thirty percent got 5.6% and the supervisor got 8.4% pay raise. The rest of the federal employees got al lease over 3%. How do you like a system where the supervisors get everything? Someone has to suffer ni order for the immediate supervisor to get that kind of raise.

COLA VS LOCALITY PAY

Building Manager
Food and Drug Administration
Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:00 PM

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I would like to see what people would complain about if they lived in Puerto Rico. We have a very high cost of living, especially in realestate. We don't have locality pay, we have a measely 10.5% COLA which isn't even tied into our retirement. So when we retire we don't receive that amount, our retirement is based on base salary only. Talk about unfair. To get any kind of decent retirement, we need to move to the continental US so our locality pay is included in our salary, no matter what the amount is.

2007 locality pay

Management Advisor
Treasury
Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:23 PM

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To fellow colleagues,

Consider that our organization was under the A-76 competitive study a few ago, and that management decided to contract 75% of our work to another government agency, and the fact that I could have been adversely affected, I count my blessings. Sure, things could always be better but they can also be worse as well. In light of downsizing, contracting work out, consolidating functions, I am greatful to still be working and not being unemployed or working at a minimum wage job. I have a friend who works in the private sector and has only received one pay during his 9 year tenure at the company. I, as most individuals, would like a greater increase in locality pay; however, I accept what ever amount of pay that Congress is willing to give us. It's time to be greatful that you have your health, family, your job, and other positive things going on in your life. It's time to move on. I wish everyone well!

Wage Grade Pay

Electronics Mechanic
Air Force 576th
Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:28 PM

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My comments are in concern that I work on Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles (ICBM`s) at Vandenberg AFB as an Electronics Mechanics WG-11 (2604) and I made more money driving a Bus WG-08(5703) at Travis AFB than I do as a Missile Mechanic. How is that Possible?

Pay Raise

Clinical Pharmacist
VA
Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:37 AM

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COLA should be the same for everyone. 3.5% across the board.

Re: Pay Raise

Federal Employee
Department of Justice
Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:06 PM
I agree that it should be an "across the board" increase. As far back as I can remember it was that way until the current administration took office. In most cases people choose where they live and work and they know when they become mobile that they could wind up anywhere in the United States. Let's say the COLA is 3.5% and it is averaged like this administration has done. It is unfair that a group such as (Rest of the U.S.) receive a 2.7% increase and D.C. or other areas get perhaps a 4.3% increase. Granted, I too am very thankful for any increase we get, but those of us who have over 20 years of service know that in most years (this year excluded) the increase of FEHB premiums eats up the majority of the raise.

Re: Pay Raise

Just retired
IRS
Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:03 AM
To Federal Employee DOJ . . . I don't believe locality pay started with this administration.

Re: Pay Raise

Engineer
DOD
Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:57 PM
It's absolutely incredible that someone who claims 20 years of government service thinks locality pay started less than seven years ago. Is it just the typical, irrational Bush hatred talking, or are they smoking some funny stuff over at Justice?

Re: Pay Raise

Federal Employee
Department of Justice
Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:43 PM
To Engineer, DOD:

Perhaps I didn't take the time to word my comments well enough, nor did I mention locality pay beginning with this administration. My point is that any increases in pay should be across the board increases. I do know the manner in which increases (COLA & Locality Pay) have been calculated has changed in recent years. As for your comment about irrational Bush hatred talking- The workload of my agency has significantly increased, the number of staff has significantly decreased and the pay increases have been sub-par during his term in office. In case you're wondering; Yes, I voted for him.

Re: Pay Raise

Program Manager
USDA
Fri Feb 1, 2008 10:27 AM
I think he has his "Bushes" confused. I believe locality pay began with H.W., not George W.

Locality pay raise

Investigator
Department of Labor
Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:08 AM

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The locality pay issue is a joke. It is time to straighten it out so that everyone receives the same amount. You could live withing a few miles of the line where the locality changes and receive the lesser amount of increase. The cost of living isn't any less. People work in the higher area but live in the lower area. Enough is enough.

Re: Locality pay raise

Claims Rep
SSA
Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:55 PM
you are correct; i live 9 miles from a town located in a county north of where i live; people in the same gs grade/step there are making 10k more a year than i am. their cost of living is the same as mine, they just happen to live in a county that recieves san francisco locality pay.

Re: Locality pay raise

Retired
HHS
Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:54 AM
Both of you are missing the point. You can choose to live anywhere you wish & it's your own business as long as you get to work on time. Locality pay was instituted (by Bush senior in the early 90s) on the basis of Government duty stations, not on personal residences of employees. Yes, there are discrepancies - in most cases, locality pay areas consist of counties - & some big counties, such as Riverside & San Bernardino, in southern California, consist of both hi-cost metro areas & large isolated stretches which would otherwise be considered "RUS". Even with that, locality pay has been an overall improvement over the "one size fits all" GS nationwide rate pre-FEPCA.

Re: Locality pay raise

Stat
DoC
Sun Dec 2, 2007 9:31 AM
To Claims rep SSA -- you are incorrect. Your friend WORKS in a San Fran locality; where he lives does not affect his locality pay.
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