Re: loss of accrued sick leave

Pretty harsh stance SSS. Regardless of one's leave balance, if someone has a serious illness and applies for the leave donor program or advance sick leave, then it has been checked and validated that in fact that person is undergoing a seriously ill situation. So, based on your theory, they should be refused???? Even if someone did mismanage their leave, I wouldn't turn against them in a time of need. That is NOT the time to try to teach them a lesson. And, congrats to you on your large leave balance. You must be a very healthy individual - you wouldn't come to work sick and infect the rest of us, would you???

Re: loss of accrued sick leave

That's the problem with our work force and society; everyone thinks they are entitled to something. If you abuse your sick leave, I have seen it, and then have an emergency whose fault is that? Give me a break, where is the accountability?

Re: There is NO such thing as leave abuse

Your response is indicative of why there is such a problem with leave abuse in government and why Mr. Gilson's article is on point.

Re: There is NO such thing as leave abuse

Your comment makes me wonder what goes on in DOD. For instance, leave restriction letters are routine in most every agency and are covered in most CBA's. In part, I think you are confusing the right to address leave abuse with the ability to prove leave abuse. In the absence of patterns such as you cite or clear evidence that the employee wasn't sick, e.g., seen at a baseball game, it is almost impossible to prove an occasional day of sick leave abuse.

Re: There is NO such thing as leave abuse

I can personally assure you that there is such a thing as leave restriction in DoD. I can also assure you that employees can and do abuse leave. "Earned leave" only means that it is available to the employee provided the circumstances are appropriate for using leave - it doesn't mean that the employee can simply be absent whenever he or she chooses.

Re: There is NO such thing as leave abuse

Occasional days are not the problem. You'd do well to learn that employees accumulate the leave, but with some exceptions, it is management's right to determing when they take it. That applies to sick leave, as well. We used a medical consultant to review medical documentation submitted by employees whose circumstances seemed suspect. And employees weren't required to provide the medical documentation, but then their supervisors weren't required to approve their requests. There are decades of case law on this issue.

Re: There is NO such thing as leave abuse

Leave for vacation is yours, that is true. Sick leave is NOT yours, it is your employer's who allows you to use it. If you truly are sick you need to use it, otherwise it should go unused. Vacation on the other hand IS expected to be used. The two are not the same and people need to quit comparing apples to oranges.

Re: WHAT? FERS PERSONNEL ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE ??

CSRS employees do NOT get paid for unused sick leave. It is credited toward years of service after the employee has reached retirement eligible age. While it may appear they are getting paid for it, the leave is prorated toward the years of service and as we all know, we don't make the same amount of money in retirement as we do while working...

While I don't agree that FERS employees should lose their sick leave, I believe that using it up is not the answer. There are many proposals on the table to deal with this ...write your congressman and senators and tell them you support crediting it. Don't put it here since these individuals are not reading these boards.

Re: WHAT? FERS PERSONNEL ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE ??

I agree with the USMC Workbee

The HRO Person is incorrect.

If the CSRS employees sick leave is prorated towards the years of retirement (Then the big picture is "YES" the CSRS personnel is being paid for there sick leave - it may not be cash money, but yes it is money because it is credit toward retirement).

I don't think HRO personnel see the big picture.
The light at the end of the tunnel - is Retirement.
If I am getting credit towards retirement then yes I am getting some type of money (even if it is not cash - it could be the possiblity of going out on retirement earlier).

Re: Stealing Time

You are a disgrace...I don't know how you live with yourself. Character is doing the right thing, when nobody is watching. You obviously have NONE!

Re: Stealing Time

You might be making light of the issues with this post...or maybe not...either way. It is interesting to me that you work for DHS as an immigration officer and advocate breaking the rules while you're being paid to catch people who broke the rules by coming into this country w/o documentation.