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The Federal Budget, Government Shutdown and the 2008 Pay Raise

Have Congress Earn Their Pay

Training Manager
Department of Defense
Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:12 AM

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How about pay for performance for Congress? Maybe they would start doing their jobs and wokring for the people and not the advancement of their careers!

Re: Have Congress Earn Their Pay

Employee
DoN
Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:07 AM
They do have pay for performance---it's called "voting." If they don't do their job, vote them out!

Re: Have Congress Earn Their Pay

Programmer
TSO
Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:59 AM
DoN, that sounds good on the surface.. but reality is voting them out won't do much good because the only people who this political system allows to be in position to be voted in instead will act the same way.

Re: Have Congress Earn Their Pay

Atss
DOT
Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:51 AM
Yeah, but sometimes the vote doesn't always work. Too many uneducated voters!

How about having a maximum number of sessions that can be missed? How many of them get paid to campaign anyway?

How about giving Mitt Romney a chance at turning THIS deficit around.....the Massachusetts democrats said he wouldn't be able to close a 3 billion defecit without raising taxes and he DID! along with adding 60,000 jobs from the low point of the recession......HMMMM!

Re: Have Congress Earn Their Pay

Financial Analy$t
USAF
Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:50 PM
Its called your vote. Don't like your member, vote them out.

Re: Have Congress Earn Their Pay

IT Spec
dod
Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:47 PM
Considering that "your member" will have to be replaced by another politician (and don't kid yourself, they all put their careers first), the idea to "vote them out" may make you feel better but it doesn't solve the problem.

DoD

Auditor
DoD
Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:27 AM

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Although a Gov Shutdown is unlikely, since the DoD budget has already been passed, would DoD workers be exempt from any shutdown that may occur?

Government Shutdown

Just About Retired
USMC
Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:05 AM

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I can only wish; however, I came to my own realization that it is all just monopoly money anyway. Another good reason to retire.

Government Shutdown

Health Technician
VA
Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:09 AM

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I survived the 1995 Government Shutdown. I hope the Government is never dumb enough to do that again!! Cost millions of dollars and was one of the worst things they have ever done. Congress made sure they were getting paid while the average government worker was not. Then it cost millions of dollars in overtime for all the "non-essential" employees to get their work done. They ended up getting paid for time off, did not have to use leave, and overtime for catching up. 1+1=5 in that case.

Re: Government Shutdown

average joe
Any
Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:24 PM
I was in a position that was considered essential. I had the privilege of WORKING while eveyone else was furloughed. In addition to being paid for the time off, the furloughed employees had their use or lose annual leave restored - because they were in furlough status and not allowed to use their leave.

What a joke !! Now that I have been promoted to a position that is non-essential, I would welcome a furlough (unplanned vacation is what it turned out to be).

Re: Government Shutdown

HR Specialist
SSA
Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:40 AM
I remember the 95 shut-down too...I was considered non-essential & remember worrying whether or not we would be retroactively paid - that was back in the days of living from pay check to pay check as a GS-5 in California. I do remember that some people (mostly supervisory and IT folks) were deemed to be "essential" and had to work. While those of us who were non-essential were retroactively paid - those essential folks received awards for their service during the shut-down. In any case...it was an ultimate waste of money for a political show-down that didn't do the average taxpayer a bit of good. Let's hope it doesn't go that far this year...but I have a sneaking suspicion that it might be a close thing...

Much ado about nothing

HR Specialist
DoD
Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:44 AM

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From what I remember, the Air Foprce's position was that national defense is essential, so all their employees were essential. This made us feel good because we kept working while some of our non-defense contemporaries downtown were complaining about being laid off. However, the complaints shifted to our side when they ended up being paid for not working--essentially getting more paid leave time. And whether our raise is 2.5 or 3.5 percent, we will all still be able to pay our bills. We always come out all right, and better than most, so why worry about it.

Federal Budget Etc.

Program Manager
USDA
Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:42 PM

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The Republicans would have some credibility if the same earmark problems and excessive spending had not occured during the first six years of this administration. To be having a big fit now is just laughable. Both parties need to examine the extra spending in bills and be responsible, however I have no hope of that happening because they are beholden to donors and special interest groups. Congress is syphoning off billions of dollars that could be used to improve infrastructure, maintain our national parks and forests, encourage energy conservation, assist with education and worker training programs, etc. Instead billions go to un-needed projects that benefit a few people. By the way, the Dept of Ag did not shut down in 1995 - we were one of two Departments that had a budget passed.

1995 government shutdown

Social Scientist
IRS
Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:46 PM

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Having 28 years with the Feds, I have seen a lot. Carter trying to buy our votes with a huge pay rise right before the 1980 election. Reagan firing the air traffic controllers as he said he would. Bush Sr. cracking up over the "read my lips, no new taxes" quip. But one of the best times I ever had was the 1995 government shutdown. I had FUN! Every morning I got to get up and it was like Saturday morning, except the streets were not crowded. I hit the movie theatre in the afternoon, I went hunting for the day, and I read the paper down at the donut shop. So this is what retirement is like. The only down side was having to explain to some coworkers that "Yes you would be paid for this time off". I didn't even mind explaining to my non-federal friends that I was getting paid for doing nothing. I didn't care in the least being classified as nonessential. I wish we could do it again!

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