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Following the Annual Federal Pay Raise Minuet

SUPPORT

SUPPLY PLANNER
DEPT OF DEFENSE
Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:09 AM

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i do not understand why this president does not support the federal employee. if it were not for our tremendous efforts that we put forth everyday supporting our military in this war, our soldiers would be in worse shape that they are in now. he must realize that everyone is paying a price for this tireless effort and we need support from his administration so that we can support our families. someone please convey this message to him. the congress gave themselves a nice pay raise and it's about time they consider the people who work for a living be given the same consideration. thank you

Re: SUPPORT

IT spec
DoD
Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:00 AM
Just because the President and Congress differ on their recommendation for a pay raise doesn't mean "this president does not support the federal employee". Don't fall into that trap, you're being duped by politicians spewing out partisan talking points.

There are partisan motives involved, budget considerations, all sorts of other things that make this more complicated than the political windbags would have you believe.

Re: SUPPORT

Fed Peasant
DOD
Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:20 AM
It's called ideaolgy. They have a belief system that is essentially anti-government worker. That's really all there is to it!! Certain "conservatives" and especially neo-cons are this way. Check out the Hoover Institute and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and other like groups. Examine their positions of all government workers. At the same time, they will throw all kinds of money at government contractors without hesitation!! They wish for a world, in which government is down sized, criticized, and disparaged into nearly nothing. And when government operations fail, they will say look at those awfull and expensive government workers. WE NEED MORE CONTRACTORS. That's it in a nutshell.

Re: SUPPORT

Nameless, Faceless Nobody
DOD
Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:31 AM
Supply Planner:

A few years ago Bush said that he didn't consider civil service to be of much worth. THat was the only time I ever sent a letter to the White House.

The trend to contracting out is another sign that he really doesn't much respect us.

The last time I saw a study on the matter the assessment was that it takes about 9 people to keep 1 warfighter in the field. Since we are an integral part of the system that keeps the warfighter suppled I would think that we deserve a little respect.

The infrastructure of our lives depend on a healthy civil service. It is a shame that it is being eroded away to serve short term goals.

Re: SUPPORT

Agent
Treasury
Wed Dec 5, 2007 8:17 AM
I dont understand why Washington DC is going to get a higher locality increase than Chicago. In Chicago our pay gap is getting wider than in Washington. I guess everyone in Washington is protecting their own without thinking about who deserves the increases the most.

Following the Annual Federal Pay Raise Minuet

employee
VHA
Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:39 AM

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Who should be surprised? President Bush has always discussed downsizing the government, contracting jobs out and so on. He has never ever since he has been in office given anyone the idea that he was going to be generous to the Federal employees. The new rating system was initiated by him. The purpose is to weed out the bad apples because President Bush believes that the government is full of non performers. Non performers are EVERYONE even the dumb folks who think that he has been talking about the other people. To keep from increasing taxes something has to be cut or held even. The republicans scream that they are not going to increase taxes even though they have war that is spending billions. ??????????????????????

Re: Following the Annual Federal Pay Raise Minuet

Programmer
TSO
Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:34 PM
Conservative philosophy has always been smaller government and less federal involvment in our lives. Liberal philosophy has always been bigger government and more federal involvment in our lives. You're taking it to the nth degree with absurd partisan exaggerations.

Don't be taken in by the far left and far right nutcases.

Federal Employee Pay Raise

Secretary
Office of IG
Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:12 AM

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The President say one thing they say another to keep people stirred up. If the President said 2.5% and congress said 3% it would be good enough. We need to be thankful and grateful for what we have and what we are able to receive and learn how to manage our funds. Always wanting more and give out less, from the lest paid to the highest paid. Enough is never enough.

MERRY CHRISTMAS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES
and
GOD BLESS

Re: Federal Employee Pay Raise

DOS
Admin
Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:45 PM
Most employees are working towards a goal (or should be) and that goal is retirement. Each pay raise helps your retirement annuity get a little bigger. The bigger the pay raise the bigger the retirement annuity. When you retire your retirement is about 40 percent of your pre-retirement salary so everyone benefits from a larger pay increase each year. The President doesn't see this but Congress seems to understand slightly better.

Re: Federal Employee Pay Raise

iNFORMATION ASSISTANT
USDAFS
Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:53 PM
This is not actually a PAY Raise it allows me to break even and just barely cover the increased costs of all my basic expenses which have risen substantually since 1 year ago. Gasoline, food etc.

It's better than last year

GOV WORKER
DOD
Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:42 AM

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Hey it is better than last year.

OK

FED
DoD
Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:41 AM

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I'm a GS 9 Accountant. The difference between 3.5% and 3% is only $156. Would any of you truely make a big deal over $156 for the year? Please, just pass the stupid budget.

Re: OK

Mgmt Analyst
DON
Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:21 PM
$156..really? Is that all?? Well let's see, where I'm at that means 4 and a half tanks of gas to me at $3 a gallon. That allows me to go to work for 2 months!

Re: OK

Statistician
DOC
Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:27 PM
It may only be $156 for you but the difference between 3 and 3.5 is about 15% for everybody.

Re: OK

FED
DoD
Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:15 AM
"It may only be $156 for you but the difference between 3 and 3.5 is about 15% for everybody. "

Is anyone else scratching their head trying to figure out what this means?

Re: OK

Analyst
DOD
Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:01 PM
It's not that confusing. .5% over 3% is about an additional 15%. It's an additional 15% on the increase though. It's not as though the increase itself is 15%. 15% of 3% doesn't seem like all that much to me. That's the problem.

Re: OK

Scientist
DOD
Sat Dec 1, 2007 5:47 PM
As an accountant I would hope that you understand the effect of a 0.5% difference compounded throughout your life. This has the greater effect the younger you are if you plan to remain in government service.

Federal Pay Raise

Financial Analyst
DOD
Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:49 AM

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Anybody that thinks Federal employees will ever get a 15% pay increase is dreaming. I think I remember a law that was supposed to bring us up to the private sector, gosh, I wonder what ever happened to that one.

Average Compensation Rate $111,180

Fed ee
Fed Agency
Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:02 PM

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I know I've constantly heard that the average compensation rate is approximately $100,000 but I don't understand where that figure comes from? For instance, I am a GS-12 and can no longer go up unless I take a managerial job. Others in the office are GS-7's and GS-8's. A position such as mine in private industry would have a base salary of $100,000 + bonuses (ranging from $2000 - 5000) per case won throughout the year. My salary is approximately $20,000 less and my annual bonuses has never reached the $2000 level. In addition, my counter parts in private industry get free parking, the employer pays for their total health insurance and they have better equipment and supplies than the federal government will ever have. Are we supposed to fee guilty about having a job that really doesn't pay our worth?

Re: Average Compensation Rate $111,180

IT Specialist
DoD
Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:22 PM
You're looking just at your situation and those around you. The reality is that situations are different for everybody in different parts of the country. In larger cities, the pay is higher, but so is the cost of living so that's understandable. I know people in private sector jobs who are paid far less than federal workers I know and have fewer benefits and don't have the right equipment they need to do their jobs. There's always a bigger picture than what we can immediately see ourselves.
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