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Your 2008 Pay Raise: Would You Prefer 3.5% or 7.6%?
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Pay Raise
US Army
Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:21 AM
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Frankly, I'd be happy with 3.5%
Being in the "Rest of US" - we (US Army Civilians in Carlisle PA) only got a whopping 2.99% raise.
Same ol, same ol
Supervisors and Management
DFAS
Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:25 AM
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Ok, out of the 110,000 who are on NSPS, how many are in supervision or management? In my agency (DFAS) most of the people who were converted to NSPS are GS-13s, 14s, and 15s. This is probably the same group of people who got the largest bonuses under GS when they were part of it. If I were a gambler, I would bet that the average 7.6% pay raise under NSPS would look a lot more like the 3.5% pay raise under GS if all the DoD employees were under NSPS.
Re: Supervisors and Management
U.S. Army
Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:35 AM
NSPS
HQ USMEPCOM DOD
Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:27 AM
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I am certainly not complaining about my first NSPS raise. I am a little ahead of the Step 5 increase I would have gotten in February. I scored a 3.5 so I got 2 shares of the Pay Pool. I had already received about 60% of the step 5 increase when we were transferred in last april.
Under the old system I would have gotten more than 3.5 % because of the step increase and I might have gotten some kind of performance award as well so keep that in mind when you compare the two systems.
3.5 versus 7.6
defense department
Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:28 AM
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Do not forget that the 7.6 percent increase also includes any within grade increases which might otherwise have been due. I also understand that except for the transition year, no additional funds would be available for personnel so for any wonderful windfall someone else will have to be on the loosing side.
Does the 7.6 include the one time plus up to account for the partial WGI the individuals receive at conversion?
Also remember any bonus or award does not count towards your high 3.
Your Math does not add outside the Beltway
AF
Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:28 AM
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In totality, Congress provided a 3.5% raise. The changes to locality are to give people in the beltway a raise much larger than 3.5% and people in the heartland a smaller one but the total is 3.5%. The changes to pay band and bonuses are a combination of step increases and performance bonuses they would have received under the GS system.
What DoD has done is reallocate changes in pay to give people inside the beltway a increase larger than their proportion of pay at the expense of people outside the beltway. I am inside and thank you very much.
Another NSPS Lie
Army
Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:34 AM
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Why are you braodcasting more NSPS lies? "more than double GS pay raise"? You clearly show on your chart The NSPS average includes bonuses. Why don't you take the time to do some research and find out what GS employees got in bonuses. Then do the comparison. Compare apples to apples, not oranges.
Inappropriate comparison of raises?
epa
Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:35 AM
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Can someone clarify whether this is an inappropriate comparison of different numbers in an attempt to prove NSPS works and garner support for the program? I heard the NSPS pay pool is funded by:
1. within grade increases
2. quality step increase
3. prompotions
4. general pay increases
5. annual bonus
So it seems they are comparing apples and oranges when comparing a 3.5% cost of living increase under the existing GS pay scale to a 7.6% increase that factors in bonuses and other pay (e.g., the 5 items above). Or does NSPS give bonuses on top of the 7.6%? For 2008, workers in my area will get a 4.25% cost of living increase, plus 3% within grade step increase which gives 7.25%. On top of this you can get bonuses/awards which will likely increase your pay to 8% or higher. Am I missing something?
Re: Inappropriate comparison of raises?
DOS
Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:20 AM
Under the Pay for Performance system the bonuses do not count towards retirement and you don't get a step increase. Over a 20 year career you lose big under the new system.