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Taxing Retirees: Some States Will Give You a Break (And Some Won't)

Just clarify statement about tax exemptions

Chief, Quality and Inventory Control Branch
General Services Administration, Easter Distr Ctr
Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:39 AM

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You stated: Here are ten states that exempt all federal, state and local pension income from taxes:
Alabama
Hawaii
Illinois
Kansas
Louisiana
Massachusetts
Michigan
Mississippi
New York
Pennsylvania

Thought these states were only exempt from paying State and Local but still had to pay Federal Tax. Could you clarify for me? Thank You. Teresa.Kirk-Junod@gsa.gov

Re: Just clarify statement about tax exemptions

editor
FedSmith.com
Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:58 AM
I am not aware of any American state in which you can avoid paying federal income taxes (without going to jail). The phrase you referenced means that federal pensions (such as your federal retirement annuity) is exempt from state taxes--and state and local government annuities are also exempt from state taxes. Uncle Sam will still get a chunk.

States that do not tax federal pensions

Attorney at Law
retired DOJ
Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:48 AM

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Why did you not include FL an TX in the states that do not tax pensions.
It would be a more informative list if you did.

Re: States that do not tax federal pensions

editor
FedSmith.com
Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:53 PM
Florida is listed in a separate paragraph because it recently altered its income tax provisions as a result of the effort by Gov. Jeb Bush to get rid of some of the income tax provisions it previously had. Texas is listed in the article as a state with no personal income tax ("Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming do not have a personal income tax.") In two separate research services, Texas is listed as a state that does not tax military retiree pay but it is not listed as a state that completely exempts pension income from taxes. That is why it was not listed among the other states included. Rather than hold up the article to research the Texas code, I did not include it as it probably has a provision that taxes some part of pensions under some circumstances. I did not want to mislead any readers and did not intend the article to be an exhaustive discussion of the ins and outs of the pension tax laws in all states.

Worst Retirement State

Retired
formerly EEOC
Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:12 PM

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You can add Ohio to the list of worst tax states for retirees. Not only do they tax CSRS pensions but they add your reduced social security to your taxable pension and tax it too. Further, if your pension is subject to federal tax, you also pay a school tax on your pretax retirement income which can be as much as 2%. When you add all those taxes to sales tax, property tax etc., in some cases, there's not enough left to live on.

OCONUS Retirement

Budget Analyst
Army
Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:15 PM

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Not really a comment as much as a question... what about feds who choose to retire to Costa Rica or elsewhere south of the border? What are the tax implications for them?

Re: OCONUS Retirement

Gen Engr
DoD
Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:02 PM
Good Question. Please write an article about living abroad after retirement ... how does it affect your retirement savings ... how does one cash-out TSP monies, receive CSRS/FERS pension payments, handle taxes by the US versus foreign Country's taxes/fees? Can you live near a US embassy and use the same medical services they do to use your FEHB during retirement?

Best Retirement States for Tax Purposes

HR Specialist
EPA
Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:13 PM

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You did a disservice to the Federal workers who plan to retire in D.C. by not including it on your list. Everyone who workes for the Federal Government here is NOT planning to retire someplace else. In future articles of this type, please make sure to include the District of Columbia! We get left out of enough stuff. If I had a quarter for every time we're forgotten (oops! I gues we ARE about to get a DC quarter areb't we? Always an after thougt......).

Re: Best Retirement States for Tax Purposes

editor
FedSmith.com
Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:44 PM
Which list did you think it should be included on? There were a number of states not mentioned in the article because they have an income tax and also tax pension income. DC has an income tax and it also taxes pension income so it was not on those list of states. It's overall tax burden is among the highest in the country but it came in at number 6 overall so it did not make the list of the top 5 highest states. Washington, DC has many advantages but it is among the most expensive places to live for a retiree and the focus of the article was on the states with the best overall tax situation for retirees.

Tax on retirement

Budget Analyst
ARMY
Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:28 PM

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Your article states that Hawaii doesn't tax federal, state and local pension income. This is incorrect. All incomes are taxed - federal, state and pension. My parents both retired pay taxes on their state pensions. My coworker's husband is retired and his pension is taxed. Guess this is one of those PR articles - you know those that picture Hawaii as a paradise. Sorry, but they've got their hands in your pocket here also.

Re: Tax on retirement

editor
FedSmith.com
Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:33 PM
According to several sources, including the retirement living information center, in Hawaii Social Security, military, federal, state/local, and some private pensions are exempt from state taxes as is military retiree pay. The National Conference of State Legislatures also notes that "Ten states exclude all federal, state and local pension income from taxation...." including the State of Hawaii. (http://www.ncsl.org/programs/fiscal/pitaxret07.htm)

As noted in the article, state legislatures can change tax laws at their discretion. Hawaii places a very high tax burden on its citizens and housing costs are very high. But, if it has enacted a change to tax pensions of federal employees, it has been changed in the past several months.

Taxing Retirees

Retired
USAF
Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:48 PM

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I am a federal retiree receiving a federal annuity and according to your article above since I live in Kansas I shouldn't have any federal tax withheld - not so...did I not understand your remarks correctly?

Re: Taxing Retirees

editor
fedSmith
Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:54 PM
If you are an American citizen, you have to pay federal income taxes. Federal pension income is exempt from state taxes in some states; the federal government expects you to pay taxes to it regardless of which state you live in.
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