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Temporary or Permanent: What's In a Name?

Term Employee

Office Automation Clerk GS 5
SBA
Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:44 PM

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My length of employment will be 10 years on the date my term is up. If it is not renewed I will be retiring. Do terms have the same retirement benefits as permanent employees? If so, any advise regarding annuties/health ins. etc. I do particapate in the TSP.

Re: Term Employee

HR specialist
DOI
Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:17 AM
Terms usually get the same benefits as permanent employees. If you're contributing to TSP, you should be in one of the retirement systems - probably FERS if you started working as a term after 1984. This information will be on your SF-50 (Notification of Peronnel Action), Block 30. Verify this with your HRO, then think about signing up for a retirement seminar!

Temp vs Perm

Social Worker
Public Health Service
Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:04 AM

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This is just another indication of government bull. I do not know whose bright idea it was to exclude temps from applying for perm jobs. Don't most temps want to be perms eventually? So much gov't red tape.....some little nerd must sit in a dark, out the way room somewhere thinking of ways to disrupt the lives of people and gets away with it. I don't condone lying on an application but then again, there are ways to not have to volunteer all the info where you are answering truthfully but not telling the whole story. In this women's case, she should have been allowed to apply for the job. It isn't like people are breaking down the door to work for the gov't. Don't we read all the time that the baby boomer retirements will open a void in our system? Maybe if the system would have been fair in the first place this lady would have been able to apply. There is nothing said whether or not she was a good employee to begin with.

Re: Temp vs Perm

Worker
DoD
Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:35 AM
Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the provisions of Title 5 of the US Code and 5 CFR 300--the governing regulations for applying for Federal positions. This has nothing to do with your sarcastic and insulting comments about some little nerd trying to disrupt your life. And you're a Social Worker???

Re: Temp vs Perm

Social Worker
Public Health Service
Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:03 PM
Here is my reply to "Worker". No doubt there is some ridiculous policy out there that justifies such behavior. My question is why do we need a policy to prevent people who are temps from applying for perm jobs? What is your answer, wiseguy? Just because I am a Social Worker does not mean that I cannot have an opinion or is there some policy in your Title 5 of the US Code and 5 CFR 300? I have earned my right to ask for I have given 36 years of service as well as being a veteran as well! Also, it is not my life that is being disrupted, it is that person who has been working as a temp and when a perm job opens up, gosh I can't apply because of some policy. Yes, I am a Social Worker and I am for the fair treatment of people in general....what is your excuse?

Re: Temp vs Perm

Worker
DoD
Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:02 PM
I guess I expected a more rational attitude or reasonable behavior from someone who claims to be a social worker. You are a very angry person. Be that as it may, we all have regulations to follow and if they are not followed you may not get what you want. It's very simple. I'm sure there are regulations and policies you must adhere to in your work. Don't follow them, suffer the consequences.

Re: Temp vs Perm

Prof
Small College
Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:28 PM
Social Worker; Title 5 is not policy, it is federal law.

Re: Temp vs Perm

Social Worker
Public Health Service
Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:44 AM
Ha, ha, ha. Worker, now you are trying to be a shrink, implying that I am an angry person. You don't even know me. If you did, you would know that I am a very nice person. However, you are missing the point. There are sometimes policies that do not make sense and if people like me did not question them, then they would never be changed. I have been on the policy making end before and over time, we changed policies because they did not work or do any good. And yes, I work for the gov't and there are rules and regulation and I do follow them. But, I have also made my case on occassion about certain frivolous policies and at times, they do get changed. And to the Prof, just because it is law, does it neccessarily make it right? It was once law that women couldn't vote and I can site others but I am running out of characters. I am just making a point and you all have the right to make yours.

Job

Concerned
defense
Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:16 AM

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Appears the individual tried to get a job without a sponsor.
Question: Was the individual, who got the job, more qualified.

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO AWAY WITH TEMP POSITIONS

WORKER
DON
Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:49 AM

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A individuals temporary position is just that - TEMPORARY & you can be termated at a drop of a hat & that is why everyone wants to be a career employee (ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES KNOW THIS).
OR was This employee doing such a good job at her position that someone decided to prevent her from going to a new position?

OR was someone attempting to hire one of there good old boys into the position, & making sure that this women was not elgible for this position. QUESTION: WHY WAS THIS JOB NOT OPEN FOR TEMPORARY PERSONNEL & EVERYONE ??

I have never heard of a job announcement saying that TEMPORARY Employees were NOT elgible to apply.
It sounds like another IG INVESTGATION TO ME - CALL THE HOT LINE NOW.

DO THESE INDIVIDUALS & HRO THINK THIS IS A JOKE. EEO should have stepped in - OH I forgot - EEO does not get involved until they need to cover up for HRO & management.

SHAME SHAME SHAME: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES ARE NOT STUPID - We see the light & many of us have gone thru this.

Re: THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO AWAY WITH TEMP POSITIONS

Adminstrator
VA
Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:53 PM
I have been on one term appointment or another for 20 years. There are numerous VA jobs that I can't apply for because they are open to "Status Candidates" only (meaning career). After 20 years, I have no status.

Re: THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO AWAY WITH TEMP POSITIONS

HR
VA
Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:17 AM
Where exactly do you work? Based on the lack of knowledge displayed it certainly is not in the HR or EEO fields.

Before pretending, try studying the law and actually get to know the rules and regulations.

The reason this person did not succeed is because she thought, as do so many others, that she could ignore the rules and requirements and write her own ticket. Fortunately, the people that know the requirements caught her fraud and fixed it.

In spite of the belief that some people have that they are "owed" something and will do whatever it takes to get it, there are laws, rules, and requirements that exist that say otherwise.

By the way, someone should report this to the IG so the IG can tell her the same thing. But, they could also take a dim view of the fraud thing and start a criminal investigation on the matter.

Oh, look how gree the grass is over there.

Follow the Rules

Civilian
Navy
Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:53 PM

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If the position was opened to John Q Public, then the applicants do not need "status" to apply. If the announcement was done as a merit promotion announcement, then the area of consideration is determined by the hiring official/agency and the applicant would need appointability in order to be hired. A temporary appt does not give you status under a merit staffing announcement. She apparently knew this and that is why she "forgot" to complete the necessary information which should/would have excluded her from being referred. It doesn't matter if you don't agree or feel sorry for her, she was not qualified to be appointed.

Re: Follow the Rules

Worker
any agency
Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:08 AM
AND there are usually reasons why a position must be announced under merit promotion, i.e. no "outside hire" positions (can't add any more bodies) for example. If the division is at staffing ceiling, they can't take on any new people and a temp to a perm is often a "new" person when counting FTEs. Agencies don't usually announce merit promotions to exclude temps. It's usually got to do with either the position itself (HAS to be merit promotion) or existing staffing.
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