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Suing Federal Co-Workers Is Usually Waste of Time

Lawyers need more money

Federal Manager & Retired Military
Independent Federal Agency
Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:41 AM

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My Goodness, just to ensure the correct spelling of names in this day and age requires a degree. This is typical of some federal employees. I think the game goes like this: Let's see. If I go to EEO I can scare weak management into doing what I want. Hmmm. I can do better than that. I'll say I was a victim of discrimination in the court system and sue them all. I have to win doing that, don't I? Typical. I wish they would band together and sue her.

Re: Lawyers need more money

Consultant
none
Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:50 AM
I'm not sure what your grief is. She asked for a desk audit which apparently showed she was being asked to perfom duties above her pay grade. She wanted to be fairly compensated for the work she was performing.
For some reason, the agency tried to compete the promotion, which I don't think is the right thing to do if this is an accretion - specifically, management had the chance to assign the duties to another worker and chose to assign them to her. Competing the promotion after the fact gives the impression of retalliation.
I am not sure why she chose to sue her coworkers, but perhaps it was a tactic to scare them from applying for her rightful promotion. A poor tactic, indeed, but the agency is not without fault.

Re: Lawyers need more money

Supervisor
FS
Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:21 AM
If there are other GS-11's in the competitive area then by giving those duties to that one 11 gave her an unfair advantage. They should compete the position to give all qualified 11's a fair chance at the 12. Mgmt has the option to remove the duties or fill at the higer level. All competitive 11's should have the chance at an upgraded position.

Re: Lawyers need more money

Worker
DoD
Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:49 AM
If she was on an identical position description as her co-workers, mgt would be obligated to compete it. You cannot accrete one person if all of their PDs are identical.

Re: Lawyers need more money

Consultant
none
Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:15 AM
She asked for a desk audit because her PD was no longer a valid decription of her duties. The desk audit should have revised her PD and re-graded her position.
Most federal organizations moved to very generic PDs a few years ago. I don't know about HUD, but certainly all the big agencies - CMS, most of the DoD branches.
So I stand by my earlier comment - it's hard to tell who is at fault, but it certainly looks like a bit of a retaliatory move by the agency. She was already performing the work, it had been assigned to her, she should be a lock for the promotion, whether it was competed or not. Why even bother with competing it? She would have a good basis for a complaint if someone else got the job she was already doing.

SUING BECAUSE OF DISCRIMINATION

MS.
DFAS
Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:49 AM

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what does this article mean if you cannot win a suit due to discrimination.

are the laws just tokens to shut us up?

Re: SUING BECAUSE OF DISCRIMINATION

manager
USDA
Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:59 AM
You need to read the article more closely. It describes who can be sued and who cannot be sued. Federal employees are part of a larger organization; you usually cannot sue them individually for events at work under most conditions and have any chance of winning. the attorney who summarized the case is just telling those reading the article how the law works in practice.

Re: SUING BECAUSE OF DISCRIMINATION

Assistant District Director
Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs
Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:17 PM
Congress enacted the Federal Employees Liability Reform and Tort Compensation Act of 1988, usually called the “Westfall Act,” in response to a controversial Supreme Court decision, Westfall v. Erwin, 484 U.S. 292, (1988). This decision changed the immunity standard that previously protected federal employees from common law tort suits. In Westfall, the Supreme Court held that a federal employee’s conduct must be both discretionary and within the scope of employment before it was absolutely immune from state-law liability. This meant that non-discretionary supervisory acts could be the subject of a common law tort suit in state court.

suing feds

social worker
vha
Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:17 AM

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I disagree in my experience attorneys view federal agencies as cash cows considering how emplyees are treated esp., the VA.If one is able and it is almost impossible,to get an accounting of how much money leaves the VA by the back door in EEO sttlements and such you will be amazed just how much money is lost due to very poor leadership.And absolutely no one is held respnsible.

Re: suing feds

Assistant District Director
Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs
Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:49 PM
The Supreme Court assumed that frivolous suits against government employees would be quickly thrown out before they could seriously hamper government operations by preoccupying the time and attention of the sued employees. Unfortunately, the Court was wrong! In Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 800 (1982), the Supreme Court confronted the question of whether it had opened the door too far, and whether it had opened the door to far, and whether too many constitutional tort cases against federal employees were proceeding to trial or, at least, exposing federal employees to invasive “discovery.” As a result of excessive requests, federal employees were sometimes forced to produce volumes of documents, costing the defendant-employees both money and time.

Thus, the Court in Harlow developed a new test on qualified immunity from tort suits. Current law holds that a government employee exercising a discretionary function is not liable if his/her conduct “does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable would have known.” In effect, to now bring a constitutional tort case, the plaintiff must submit direct evidence of improper motivation by the particular federal employee. Plaintiffs who merely allege this improper motivation, or “malice,” but provide no direct evidence, will have their suits dismissed.

Classification Appeal

HR Supv
GSA
Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:30 AM

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...If she was the incumbent of the position found to be misclassified, the only legitimate reason for not promoting her would be her failure to demonstrate acceptable performance at the next higher grade level (once that level was established). Is that really what happened here?

Re: Classification Appeal

IT Drone
DoD
Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:17 AM
I don't think she was not qualified because they found that she was doing the work of a higher grade. I don't see anything that says her performance ratings were low or that she had disciplinary issues. So, obviously, she was doing her job well.

Generally a desk audit is supposed to result in a grade adjustment. The "competition" excuse almost sounds as if someone had a buddy they wanted to promote no matter who it displaced. There was also no mention of what would have happened to the original plaintiff if the job was indeed given to someone else.

As for suing individuals: apparently no one has read the EEO rules for filing. Unlike a regular grievance, in an EEO complaint you HAVE to mention individuals in the complaints, even though the agency ultimately pays any fines and penalties. I work closely with our EEO people and they have confirmed that nothing can be filed if the victim does not provide names.

Suing individual federal employees

examiner
IRS
Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:05 AM

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I support the decision throwing out the suit against employees as employees. It is common for lawyers to name as many entities as possible in a suit to achieve a greater chance of collecting more money for their clients and more legal fees for themselves.

I would like to have these lawyers held accoutnable by having the lawyers pay the legal fees incurred by these people to have their names removed from the suit. Of course, this will never happen. Lawyers run the legislative branches and the courts.

suing Federal Employees

Freedom Fighter
DOJ/BOP
Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:29 PM

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I believe that federal employees can and should be held accountable when they break the law and step outside of their scope of duties. If there is really harm done because of their actions , their personal assets should be reduced to whatever a third party awards. My managers wheel discrimination and acts of terror on federal employess that are both discriminatory and against the law, especially to manage in a budget crisis. Many of these managers will state that I'm doing(the act) it because I can and won't stop until you prove me wrong. A typical attitude in the Bureau of Prison.
I then am in favor of exhausting all means according to a CBA, then lets go to court and hit that pocket book.

Accretion of Duties

HR Specialist (Retired)
U.S. Treasury - FMS
Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:59 PM

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It appears that HUD didn't want to non-competitively promote Ms. Jenkins based on accretion of duties. On face value, if Ms. Jenkins had requested the desk audit and the audit confirmed the higher grade level of her actual duties, I don't find fault with her being be miffed if the agency chose not to upgrade her based on accretion of duties.

JFK

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