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Hiring from the outside
IRS
Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:27 AM
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The positive of hiring from the outside is new ideas on ways to do the job.
The negative is new ways on how to do the job. These new people have no clue about the details on how to do the job. They may think they do, but they do not. An example is an audit. Management wants cases closed quickly using the 80/20 method. This means that 80% of the tax is gotten in the first 20% of the time. This is a sick joke and is not correct. It takes more than the first 20% of the time to get 80 of the adjustment. In addition, doing a true income audit for undeerreporting of income takes serious time. Management does not want a true income audit.
The ultimate responsibility for these actions lie with the outsiders in upper management.
Where do you get your information?
Forest Service
Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:00 AM
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When I read your articles, I think, where does he get his information? I see your references to the "think tanks" and their statistical data and I can only conclude that they never go out into the "field" to gather information, they must stay in the cities. Because I can tell you that the good old boy system, and nepotism, is alive and well in the Forest Service, at the Forest level. We recently concluded two lawsuits in our Region, dealing with the lack of diversity. When the judge signed the order that we had satisfied all of the court orders in the lawsuit, the ink wasn't even dry on the paper when my supervisor walked into my office and told me to prepare paperwork to hire three employees that were family members of existing employees. And they weren't qualified for the positions. Maybe someday the system will change at my level, but not in my lifetime.
Ring knockers, Political Appointees, Good Ole Boys
Independent Federal Agency
Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:59 AM
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Those mentioned in the subject bear tremendous responsibility for the sad state of government service. Senior military officers (ring knockers) love to wrap their arms around unfilled senior positions, waiting for the right senior officer to retire, because God forbid such a person should be left out in the cold on retirement day. Plus, we can’t have that person work his or her way up the ladder. Egad, can you imagine. Further, most retired officers that I’ve observed have very little knowledge about the jobs bestowed upon them. Political appointees & good ole boys (and girls) are synonymous in that they hand out jobs to friends. Let’s not worry about the future since political appointees view the end of government as a four-year ordeal, & many good ole boys look as far as their upcoming retirement. Then there are those that contract positions while attempting to secure employment for themselves. Hmmm. Why would fresh or mid-level career federal civilians be disappointed with that?
Are retired officers outside?
Air Force
Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:59 AM
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Once the prohibition of receiving military officer retirement while employed as a government civilian was lifted, the flood gates opened. The (often military) hiring official is more likely to select a peer than an unknown.
I have seen several cases where an officer nearing retirement prepares a civilian position for himself, works with the hiring official, and returns to this new position within days of retirement. In a few cases, to the same desk they "vacated" as an officer.
In most cases, these men (they were all men) were qualified, but the impression they left, and the impact to civilian morale, was terrible.
In the end, I know many civilians in middle management grades don't believe they have a fair chance for upward mobility in the DoD. The complimentary skills--with civilians providing in-depth knowledge and military providing broader experience--is being lost. We are left to hire depth from contractors; "civilians" in the upper grades are losing it.
Re: Are retired officers outside?
DOD
Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:30 PM
Hosed again
USAF
Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:29 PM
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While private sector kept pace with inflation in the 80s, we fell behind. In the 90s, during hiring freezes, I looked at private sector employment, but they wouldn't believe someone with my current salary would ever be entrusted with programs worth that much. Turn of the decade, the system removed penalties for prior military to come back as GS, and their still-in-uniform buddies gave them all the mid-tier slots (why else would they need to know internal information, but hiring only external candidates?). Now that I'm approaching the minimum retirement age, the external hire route is becoming de rigeur. Guess I'm gonna have to quit, go suck big dollars out as a government contractor, then come back and get the promotion denied me while a career employee.
External Hiring
Navy
Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:06 PM
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The VEOA & VRA can be a godsend when it comes to hiring for certain hard-to-fill positions. The regular, competitive system for outside hiring is cumbersome, especially when you factor-in Agency red tape. I've seen more than one top prospect get fed up with delays and drop out of contention because s/he got another offer elsewhere. Careful selection can get you seasoned, mature employees who can bring a fresh outlook and useful diversity to the workforce.
Re: External Hiring
Army
Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:51 AM
Seasoned Federal employees are used to getting the job done within the guidelines set forth. Further, there are plenty of skilled workers in the Government, and since the number of jobs to be filled decreases at the grades go up, there is an adeqate pool in most instances.
Your easy hire costs the Government untold dollars in stupid decisions.
Sooo True!
DoD
Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:29 PM
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My agency will hire around the system when it involves bringing someone on board who is acceptable to the irish catholics. People like me been passed over so much in favor of those who are "culterally acceptable."
Re: Sooo True!
DOD
Tue May 13, 2008 11:24 AM