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September 5, 2008
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Understand before you comment
USN
Thu May 1, 2008 7:25 AM
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Those who know so little about forensic urine drug testing should not feel so obligated to impune a system without at least trying to learn and understand the facts of the process.
There is no hair follicle test. A hair test requires the hair shaft and root, if possible. The follicle is the depression in the scalp the hair shaft grows from. Additionally, while it is true that hair test can provide a longer history of drug use than urine, single or even infrequent drug use could be expected to yield a negative result on a hair test.
DNA analysis is most often inconclusive when using urine as the testing matrix. Since urine samples are collected under forensic conditions and NOT sterile conditions, any DNA that finds its way into the sample will be amplified by PCR and contribute to the DNA profile. Contamination could come from sexual partners, or technicians who process the sample. None of which affect the forensic validity or scientific accuracy of the analytical result.
hair follicle drug test
SBA
Mon May 5, 2008 8:11 AM
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Did he get his hair cut before providing hair for the test, if not, it would have clearly showed whether he had in fact used the cocaine. at least that is my understanding of the hair follicle drug test.
if he did get his hair cut before providing hair for the test, that would seem to indicate the random test was after all accurate and he got his hair cut attempting to pass the test. tough call. sorry he lost his job. but if you play with fire you can get burned.
Drug Test Removal from Job
SSA
Mon May 5, 2008 2:03 PM
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We can all come up with reasonable and unreasonable opinions about this employee, but I certainly defer to the info from the USN Toxicologist who recognized the fallacies regarding tox testing! - Would like to ask him/her what would he/she do if subjected to a random test? Other than obtaining an immediate test on your own without waiting for the govt test results (and assuming that you did not use a prohobited substance), how could you defend yourself in the case of a false positive or other error?
, and would like to ask his/her opinion
random test not very random at all!
DHS
Wed May 7, 2008 3:45 PM
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I have heard of no other random drug testing in the office before, or since Meza was tested.
How "random" is that?
Could there have been other info that provoked the managment to begin a drug test? Possible... Why of all days did they decide to test then, and why him? There may be facts we do not have.
Removal from federal service
US ARMY Dental Activity, Fort Bliss, texas
Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:52 PM
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I am a army reservist, I was on active duty as a paralegal at fort riley kansas, I tested positive for Ampthemines, I protested that I am not a durg user, to no avail I was seperated from active duty. When I returned to my Federal Civilian job listed above, I was removed from sevice, even though my job is not a tested designated position, and I has already been wrongfully punished once. I am still fighting this. Any advice I can get would be welcomed. sly.singleton@us.army.mil