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Lying about Government Credit Card Debt Leads to Removal

Lying about Government Credit Card Debt Leads to R

Program Specialist
NOAA
Mon May 12, 2008 1:43 PM

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She should have known better! She got just what she deserve. Doesn't she know better then to lie on a government form. Once you get fired from the Federal Government, I guess she will be flipping burgers for the rest of her life!!!

So What!?

Unsubordinate
None
Mon May 12, 2008 2:21 PM

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Not that I advocate theft, but this isn't the worst I have ever heard of.

Re: So What!?

Program Analyst
OPM
Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:12 AM
It is not what she did, it is what she failed to do!

lying on background questionaires

worker
usda
Mon May 12, 2008 3:28 PM

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Everyone please remember, when the HSPD-12 investigations start coming around to your office ( they will for all govt employees), make sure that you do not lie about anything. Telling the truth and admitting a mistake can be dealt with thru this process, but any surprise and out you go!

Lying to GOv't

Supervisor
DOI
Tue May 13, 2008 2:31 PM

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So what, someone lied to Uncle Sugar! According to Rev. Wright, Uncle Sugar lies all the time. Besides, haven't you heard of situation ethics? Maybe she couldn't afford to pay the bill, after all, a girl just gotta have fun.

I don't subscribe to any of this crap, I just didn't want a discussion thread to close without some controversy:)

Re: Lying to GOv't

Program Analyst
OPM
Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:14 AM
That does not excuse what she did. It is much better to be honest about stuff. As my colleague below says, lying is stupid and the gov't will find out about it. Not only that, it is a felony!

So common...

investigator
opm
Wed May 14, 2008 10:19 PM

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People try to lie all the time on the security questionaires. She's lucky she didn't get in more trouble! Deliberate falsification in the background investigation process is a felony (title 18, U.S. code, section 1001).

Re: So common...

Program Analyst
OPM
Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:11 AM
Lying on the background questionnaire is stupid. Even if the information had gotten expunged, the gov't could still find out about it. Basically, everything you have done, they will know about. No matter how bad of a thing you have done, it is always better to tell the truth. It makes no sense to apply for a job if there is no hope on getting it--depending on what you did...but maybe she had a very good reason why she had not paid it. When I got hired, I just admitted the minor stupid stuff that I had done in college--and no problem. If I had lied, that would have been a whole nother story.

Just a thought...

John S.
NIMH
Mon Sep 1, 2008 10:46 AM

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Lying is never the "best policy"; however, depending on one's circumstances, it may be the only policy, if someone wants to get their foot in the door. I'm speaking only of a "mental health condition". Everyone, at least if they are honest with themselves, will tell you that if a company (not the government!) has 2 equally qualified applicants, however, one applicant has a past condition, say depression, that candidate will be passed over because of the stigma that exists in our society. This is axiomatic. No one on this board can honestly contest what I have said and provide evidence to the contrary. It happens over and over again in our society. Again, I am not referring to the Government but I am referring to biased, uninformed, often uneducated, medically unqualified personnel rendering a discriminatory opinion based on their own pre-existing biases of applicants with a mental health condition. I welcome any debate on this issue.

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