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Deciding an Adverse Action: What the Manager Must Consider

Deciding Official

Former HR Specialist
Federal Agency
Thu May 29, 2008 8:12 AM

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At one time I worked as an Employee Relations Specialist. I worked for a boss that was infamous for once responding in an appeal hearing to the question, "Why did you remove this person?" by saying, "Because this was the decision that the HR Office gave me to sign." As a result, when I worked on a highly charged, political (small p) case that I felt was going to go to appeal, I handed the Deciding Official two draft decisions. One was a removal and the other was a long suspension. I wasn't going to be named as the person, who had made the decision that was someone else's responsibility. However, this shows the extremes to which staff has to go to make the bosses do their job and do it properly.

No one takes this seriously

HR labor relations specialist
VA
Fri May 30, 2008 10:43 PM

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Skillful attorneys cross-examining VA deciding officials can easily prove that these high level management officials, at best, skim some of the documents in the evidence file. If there are medical records or other complicated information in the file, you can bet that they didn't understand what they read, assuming they tried. These people sign an official government record attesting to the fact that they considered all of the evidence of record and the employees' rely(s), AKA the decision letter, when such a thorough review of all of these documents never happened.

adverse actions against Army civilian personnel

Allen K. Leivdal
HQ USARPAC G4
Wed Jul 9, 2008 3:40 PM

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Where can I look to find information on DOD Civilian Property Accountability and time lines in the event the DOD Civilian changes duty assignments (PCS) from one location to another geographical location? I know what AR15-6, AR710-2, DAPAM 710-2-1 and AR735-5 says however that dose not tell me how long a losing activity has to process the AR15-6 or Report of Survey. The Office of Personnel Management and Army Regulations establish rules for adverse actions against Army civilian I was trying to see what time lines they have in place i.e. 30/60/90 days from the date the individual departed that command to file such action.
allen.leivdal@us.army.mil

Re: adverse actions against Army civilian personnel

Major Michael Flees
US Army
Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:07 PM
These are very valid concerns. Sounds like some commanders should be working overtime, to ensure civilian (and military) property accountability actually happens. I thought Army policy forbade anybody from transferring until hand receipts were properly relinquished.
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