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Inflation, COLA's and the 2009 Federal Pay Raise

What about the Cap???

Federal Information Management Officer
EPA
Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:41 AM

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If the federal cap (currently $149K) is not adjusted I wonder if we will see any increase. This cap has already cost me about $30 a month for the rest of my life because the high three calculation is based on that number. They wonder why we are all going to the private sector. I work for about half what my friends and peers earn outside of government. I always felt I was paid adequately for the work I do, offset by my desire to serve my country, and no longer feel that way. Will the Cap go up????

Re: What about the Cap???

Numbers
OPM
Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:26 AM
It is funny that no one has ever shown a big exodus to the private sector from the gov't. In fact the executive branch just gets bigger.

Always threats but no follow-through. US citizens have little sympathy for a GS-15 step 10 salary.

If you are really worth more then get an SES or Title42 position.

Re: What about the Cap???

IT Spec
SSA
Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:32 PM
I worked my way up from GS-5 to GS-12. It took 20 years. Most IT Spec in our agency (non-DC Headquarters) are GS-12's, while IT Spec in most DC based agencys are GS-13. We have been told that it is because people won't go to DC for GS-12. We also have the perception, true or not, that DC is full of grade-creep.

Be aware of your audience when complaining about pay cap. Most federal employees nationwide will never have an opportunity to even be considered for GS-15. While I agree that everyone wants to get an increase, no matter what their grade level, GS-15s aren't going to get a lot of sympathy from the rest of us.

Re: What about the Cap???

IT Manager
ED
Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:09 AM
It is suprising to see so many people who are not at the GS-15 level that indicate that "if" they were they wouldn't expect to be paid for the work they do (because of a cap). Most feel they can do the job of their bosses, however, this IT manager has (4) Undergraduate degrees, (3) Graduate degrees, is a certified Electronics Engineer, a certified Mechanical Engineer, has (41) years of federal service, and has been recognized for saving over $50 million of their tax dollars in the past (8) years. It is painful to hear the misery of those coming up through the "grades" and their lack of compasion for those holding the positions above them. We understand the feeling, because we were there. We also wish the times would get better for all.

Salary Comparison

Contracting Officer
USDA
Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:06 AM

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I just compared my salary in DC to other areas. I understand why many of the areas are higher, but why is it that the Houston area is higher than DC? Their cost of living is much more affordable than many areas, but I'm just curious as to why.

Re: Salary Comparison

HR Specialist
DoD
Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:52 PM
The annual increase received by General Schedule employees is not a cost of living increase it is locality pay. To give a quick explanation the amount/percentage of locality pay for an area is not based upon what it costs to live in that area but on salaries paid to employees in that area. The Houston area must have some very high paying positons.

Re: Salary Comparison

CSRS
VHA
Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:46 PM
Could it be that Houston is "Bush" country? :)

Re: Salary Comparison

Contract Specialist
DoD
Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:01 AM
CSRS, could it be that Houston is the home of the Johnson Space Center and all those engineer salaries have boosted the overall salary levels?

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that not everything in the world, including the locality pay rate in Houston, can be blamed on Bush.

Re: Salary Comparison

Engineer
US Army
Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:22 PM
Huntsville, Alabama has the highest concentration of engineers, scientists, and Ph.D's in the world and we don't have that kind of locality pay. In fact, Houston gets twice as much as Huntsville.

Re: Salary Comparison

Health Physicist
DON
Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:30 PM
It's not just the engineers, Houston has one of the few rapidly growing economies in the US today. It's energy, banking, engineering, construction, etc, etc.

Everyone always gets it wrong, government employees don't ever get a cost of living increase (COLA), we get raises on our base salary and then the locality raise reflects the costs to hire an employee in those areas.

Only retirees get a COLA.

Inflation, COLA's and the 2009 Federal Pay Raise

HR Spec
USDA
Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:47 AM

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i think we should consider not receiving any pay increase, in exchange on current federal and state tax rates remaining the same or not.... Also, we tend to denigrate to no effect the average tax payer, principally the private sector individual economically struggling much more difficult than we, as well their contributions that support our ever increasing salaries.

Re: Inflation, COLA's and the 2009 Federal Pay Rai

Communication Technician
DOT
Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:37 PM
Some managers allow their employees to write their own performance evaluations. It turn out many employees are harder on themselves than their supervisors would have been. There is a reason for that- we are all, way down deep inside, our own harshest critic. If you are feeling guilty about accepting your pay, you know something about yourself that only you can change. Get a job in which you feel you can give greater service and value to the taxpayer, work harder and smarter in the job you now have, or maybe both.

At one point in my career, I took my own advice and created something that ended up saving more tax dollars than I received in salary over the course of a 39-year career. And I'm not exceptionally bright- if I could do that, so can you!

Re: Inflation, COLA's and the 2009 Federal Pay Raise

Military Pay Technician
DFAS
Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:10 PM
Who is this "we" you are referring to? The real purchasing power of my salary is smaller and smaller each year. If yo feel you are over compensated, please feel frr to return some to the US Treasury.

Locality pay

IT Specialist
Naval Medical Center
Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:25 PM

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When was the last time the Locality Pay was adjusted? I fall under the 'Rest of the US' and the 2.99% really needs adjusting. How often does the Locality Pay get evaluated and who is envolved with the process?

Re: Locality pay

HR Specialist
DoD
Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:46 AM
Loacality pay areas are reviewed and adjusted. A while back Yuba County, CA and two counties in Nevada were added to the Sacramento locality pay area. For some information on locality pay areas go to
http://www.opm.gov/oca/08tables/locdef.asp. If a pay area is going to change they usually publish information in the federal register.

Re: Locality pay

SCSI
usda/fsis
Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:45 AM
I have been in the agency six years. I done well in the six years by working hard. I live only 120 miles south of San Deigo but my locality pay is under the rest of the US. I feel we should get San Deigo pay due to the cost of living. Our electric bills each month due to the heat (100-125) are 350-500 dollars a month. Our gas is 4.60 a gallon. water bills are 100 plus a month ect...My GS5 only bring home a average of 600-675 depending on their deduction every two weeks. Average apartment cost 900-1200 dollars a month. It need to be reajusted for every one sake.

Re: Locality pay

ACO
DCMA
Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:40 PM
To SCSI: you live 120 miles SOUTH of San Diego? That would put you in Baja California, Mexico. Would you mean EAST of San Diego, i.e. Imperial County?

CAP

fed supervisor
BLM
Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:07 AM

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to Fed Info Officer
If you can't live one 149,000 a year and 30 dolars a month mean so much to you, obviously you have lost the touch with "rest of us", and with reality.
50-60, 000 a year in the majority of America is considered a fantastic salary.
Cap should NOT be raised

Re: CAP

Financial Analyst
USITC
Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:27 AM
The $149,000 salary cap (which is the pay for Executive Schedule level IV) will be raised by the portion of the federal pay increase that is set aside for across-the-board pay raises, instead of for locality increases. For example, the 2008 pay increase (total of 3.5%) had two components, one for across-the-board pay increases (2.5%), and one for locality increases (1.0%). When the 2.5% increase was applied to the 2007 ES level IV pay ($145,400), the 2008 pay became $149,000 (executive level pay is rounded to the nearest $100). So, if the 2009 pay increase turns out to be 3.9%, and 2.9% is set aside for across-the-board pay increases, then the 2009 pay cap will be $153,300.

Localities need to be reexamined

IT Drone
DoD
Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:14 PM

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There are places out here that are considered "rest of U.S." but really are extremely high-cost. Due to some finagling, there are agencies that get ZERO COLA adjustments on top of living in these "rest of U.S." areas that are obscenely expensive.

Translated: If the government doesn't want to pay everyone a decent wage, then stop paying the extras to only a few.

The last time I asked about the disparity, I was told that I could always get another job. As a one-deep required to be on call, I can see that happening....

Locality

Special Agent
DEA
Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:01 AM

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I live 65 miles North of Los Angeles County, California and about 110 miles North of the city of Los Angeles. I am getting Rest of the US locality pay. It doesn't make any sense to me that Locality is completely out of touch with real costs. I could by a house in Oklahoma for 100K and get the same locality even though that house is 400K in California along with higher gas, groceries, and general expenses.
Sincerely,
Disgruntled employee that signed a mobility agreement (poverty agreement)

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