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Agency Can Reassign Employee--And Fire An Employee Who Refuses to Go

How far away?

Supervisory IT Specialist
DoD Navy
Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:13 AM

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How far away is that move? Anyone know if they offered PCS move assistance?

Re: How far away?

HR
Army
Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:30 AM
Sorry, wasn't involved in this case, if you were wondering, but, the answer is "yes" they would have to have paid for the PCS move. Kansas City is outside of the commuting area so the PCS is a given.

The drive might not be bad for someone from DC, but still costly. The best bet, move to Fort Riley, live in Manhattan (or surrounding area), and drive to Kansas City on the weekends if you miss the sounds of the City.

The drive could be anywhere from 2 1/2 hours to 3 depending on which side of the city - fairly straight interstate driving - no real traffic to speak of - a few rolling hills. Still, it's not considered a commute for most folks.

I'm still surprised the case got this far. This must have been one stubborn Engineer - this stuff is clear - has been for a long time.

Get a lawyer first

Old Guy
USAF
Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:51 AM

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Instead of assuming you're right and betting your career on MSRP, it's always worth asking the question about consequences before you say no.

Depending on where in Kansas City he lived, it looks like he turned down a 2 hour commute (120 miles, against traffic), something DCers take for granted regularly. And given the cost of living in Manhattan, KS, it might have been a good move for him.

Re: Get a lawyer first

HR Manager (Retired)
DoD
Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:18 AM
An easier and less expensive method to find out what options, if any, are available is to read the agency's HR regs and, if applicable, any labor agreement. This employee did not stand a chance as in most regs and LR agreements the agency always retains the right to assign work.

Paid PCS

Labor Employee Relations Manager
VA
Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:02 AM

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If the agency is responsible for the reassignment, then PCS costs would have been covered.

I would agree with "Old Guy." Work now, grieve later.

Agency Can Reassign Employee--And Fire An Employee

hydraulic Engineer
retired
Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:47 AM

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Something else had to be going on here, there is no question the Corps of Engineers can assign and move employees as the mission requires, this being said do you really want to move an productive employee someplace he/she does not want to be? I suspect there were other engineers who could do the job and wanted to to be reassigned. In any case the employee should have taken the job an then found a job i a more to his liken. Like I said something else was happen here because the one thing I witness during my 34 years with Corps was a willingness of management to work with employees and find assisgnments that benefitted the Corps and the the employee.

Discontinues Service Retirement

Quality Assurance Specialist
DCMA
Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:39 AM

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Under FERS, having met certain basic requirements, couldn't this employee have taken a discontinued service retirement in lieu of separation?

directed reassignment

CIVIL ENG. TECHNICIAN
NRCS
Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:13 AM

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does anyone know if this is happening extensively, since it is happening a lot in my agency NRCS. i don't agree with it since it disrupts that employees whole family life for the sake of the numbers they are trying to get down to.

DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE (IT IS A JOB)

WORKER IN FEDERAL SERVICE
USMC
Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:31 AM

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Last year our command was notified that 2 of the 43 projects were going to be shut down & we should re-assign & take action.

The command started by transferring 3 of the engr people working on these project to other projects within the command. The 3 people were offered additional training to get them upto speed.

The other nine people were to be transtioned to other projects as these two projects came closer to closure.

This because a battle ground. One individual being transtion to another project was running around & claim everyone was against them & miss treating them. The other two individuals signed up to start new training to get up to speed.
The one individual filed & EEO complaint.

Six of the last nine have now began the transtion & they are enrolled in classes & getting up to speed on the new projects they have been assigned to.

The one individual has been fired & is now filing a complaint against the command.

It wasA job opportunity-take it.

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