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Let's Stir the Pot - One More Time

Forget the Pendulum

Project Manager
DoD
Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:13 AM

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The law is the law and the appeals courts have shown that these guy don't care about the law, just who they Server. Most people don't have a problem with decisions when they are based in law. But you get the current reaction and responses when you deal with "Political Pendulums". The decision are really bad when some one with My low intelict can sea tat the deisions r politiclly motovated and n0t baized in luw.
More than likely the time has come for the end of the FLRA as we know it, or it's operational rules should be revise to miminize as much as possible any political influence.

Pendulum Theory

Labor Relations
Navy
Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:48 AM

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The pendulum theory has nothing to do with union’s filing inordinate, frivolous complaints. Union officials often attempt to justify their existence and use of official time, not in working with but, harassing management. Harassment, by grievance or with Authority charges are their tools.

The union’s enemies are not the Authority, the political climate or most management teams. The union’s enemies are their own representatives. How outrageous can union representatives be? Recently, employees were moved into a NEW building. The union demanded that the union select a different paint color to cover the freshly (Ivory) painted walls. Outrageous harassment? A waste of management’s time?

Re: Pendulum Theory

examiner
IRS
Tue Jul 1, 2008 8:59 AM
I do not know about your situation with the union. On the surface, it is ridiculous. I would like to hear the union's position as presented by the union.
As far as my situation is concerned we have management flouting the rules and getting away with it. The first in first out method for closing cases is being flouted. Indirect methods are being pushed when not appropriate even though it violates RRA 1998. One can get fired for this violation, but management will let the examiner hang. Unpaid overtime is pushed by making the workload impossible thus forcing the examiner to work overtime.
Other things that I cannot mention are even worse.

Re: Pendulum Theory

Business Analyst
DLA
Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:29 AM
It is clear from FLRA's own statistics that over 90+% of their decisions are in favor of management, that they have a clear bias infavor of management. I don't buy your assertion that ALL of the federal unions mostly file frivolous complaints, even though you may have a possible example of a frivolous one.

Let's Stir the Pot--One more time

Union President
DoD
Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:53 AM

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I can agree with your position. De-politicizing the FLRA and FMCS would be a better fix then starting all over again with a new entity that will most likely result in years and years of litigation to formulate the policies that Labor/Management would use. Lest we forget Clinton first appointed Ms Cabiness so maybe we did get what both he and Bush intended the direction of the FLRA should take. We just experienced the control an agency would like to have when DoD proposed its in-house control idea of how to resolve disputes with the NSPS system. As a side, I believe the law was PL 95-454 that created the CSRS. However, enjoyed reading your approach to the problem that we all can agree exists.

Cliché Ridden Article Added Little

ER Spec pretending to be an accountant
DoD
Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:02 AM

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Stir the pot; both sides of the aisle; swinging pendulum; crap shoot; politician that is moving mouth is lying; vote head not heart. Sheesh!!

This article added little to the issue. Middle-of-the-road [cliché] opinions rarely do.

Arbitration review also broken at FLRA

AFGE Local 2032 President
HUD, Philadelphia
Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:09 PM

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Regardless of which way the pendulum swings, the FLRA is deperately inadequate in its review of arbitration rulings. There is not a single case, even where the arbitrator was asleep during the hearing, that was overturned and the party able to get a new hearing before an unbiased person. No, if you actually demonstrtae incompetence what happens? The FLRA sends it back to the same arbitrator you now have embarassed and shown to be wrong.

Neither the FMCS nor the FLRA apparently review qualifications by reading opinions issued, nor do they have anything to do what arbitrators charge which is usually between $1,000 and $3,000 a day plus varing expenses depending on what they want to charge.

We recently invoked arbitration and the arbitrator did not ask for a copy of the contrac and informed us he would show up at the hearing with a pencil and pad. Who cares about actual interest in resolving conflict, interpreting rights when you get paid whatever you want, have no real threat o

The Republican party represents what?

HR Advisor
Consultant
Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:55 PM

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"For as long as I can remember, the Republican party has represented the views and interests of big business and the wealthy, and the Democratic party has represented the views and interests of the working class."

Huh? If so, why are so many fat cats--most, the last I checked--Democrats? Working class interests do not include traditional Democratic emphasis on high taxes, Big Government, undercutting the family, big labor (e.g., efforts to end secret ballots), the Tort Lawyers (many of whom are currently facing prison), and so on. Obama's comments on "bitter" working class people clinging to God and guns illustrates that the Democrat Party is the party of the rich and the poor--not the working class...and they can't even understand the working class.

Now, I grant you that recently Republicans have often done a stunnign impersonation of Democrats--and are reaping the "reward" of such stupidity...Americans like to be given a choice.

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