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Can I Join This Union?

Advice for New Reps

Federal union officer
DOL
Wed Jul 9, 2008 10:27 AM

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Hats off to Chris. Every year when we have steward training, we go over these same points with both our new and old stewards in our "housekeeping session" before we actually start the training sessions. However, it only takes one bad apple to ruin it for the rest I'm going to copy this list and give it out at this years training session this month.

Artcle about local 1613

examiner
IRS
Wed Jul 9, 2008 10:39 AM

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Good article. It is balanced. Write like this and you would be respected.

Who is This Man

Border Patrol Agent
US Border Patrol
Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:24 PM

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Someone call the Police, Bob Gilson has been abducted and replaced by his not so evil twin. That being said, 1613 has always been out front in the Labor Union business and it is due to their hard working officers and stewards. It is also an example of what having several full time union positions can do for a Union and in turn for an employer.

I Love You Chris!

Re: Who is This Man

BPA (SDC-BRF)
USBP
Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:54 PM
These points were not written by the current union folks. They were written by Joe Dassaro a former union President who now works on the agency side. They were first used in a steward manual he wrote around 1998 or 1999 and later put on the old website he ran. You can actually visit the old site by going to the internet archive at www.archive.org and type in the current web address of nbpc1613.org or the old one of borderpatrol1613.org which was the former site.

If I remember right, he said he wrote most of them but also grabbed a few from somewhere else.

ADVISE TO NEW LOCAL 1613 REPS

REVENUE OFFICER (RETIRED)
INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:09 AM

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nteu has always had a policy both nationally and locally which mirrors the advise offered by the border patrol council. you are always critical of federal labor unions and do not spend enough time writing about the crimes of management and why unions are a necessary part of federal work-life.

Do you really think this is the exception?

Union Rep
NLRB
Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:26 AM

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Bob, you have got to be kidding me. Do you really think this union is the exception? This reaffirms to me your anti-Union bias, and complete misunderstanding of what Union's do.

As Federal Government employees, we all strive to do the best work we can do. In conjunction with our work, many of us are represented by a union. These public sector Unions enforce the workplace rights of their members. Many of these rights are collectively bargained and some that are given through statute. I know it’s hard for you to believe, but there are rouge managers among us who violate CBAs or government rules. Unions act to protect these rights, and do it a respectful way.

I know of no Union that advocates lying to management, abusing government rules and regulations, and in general trying to get over on management.

Clearly, your anti-Union bias comes out in this piece as you believe that that this Union is in the minority in how it conducts itself.

Re: Do you really think this is the exception?

LR Specialist
Dod Agency
Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:36 AM
While most unions would not post a code of conduct contrary to the one posted by the one cited in Bob's most recent article, the reality of their conduct is considerably different and Bob has, again, hit a nerve by daring to highlight a problem that many in the LR community know about but rarely discuss knowing it is not the politically correct position to take. It isn't his anti-union bias but his several decades of experience that reflect the reality of working in labor relations in the federal workplace that provide the background for his articles. Unfortunately, most federal employees never see these type of articles other than on the Fedsmith site as most news outlets choose not to mention anything that will result in the numerous charges of "anti-union bias" such as your rant has done.

Keep up the good work, Bob. The more complaints like this one you see probably mean you have hit a nerve with more truth and experience behind it than others will ever admit to.

wonderful!

Nameless, Faceless Nobody
DOD
Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:42 AM

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It would be a nearly perfect work world if these concepts were adapted for management as well. It is natural that people disagree and have conflicting goals. Integrity and honest dealing would make the give and take needed to find real resolutions possible.

Advice for new local 1613

MSHA VP Local 2519
MSHA
Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:24 PM

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Would like a copy of your comments from that sent to me at ford.leroy@dol.gov.. Thought it was a very good article and good advice.

Thanks'
Leroy Ford

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