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Firing an HR Specialist With 30 Years of Federal Service

Retire

Program Analyst
OPM
Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:50 AM

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I have seen several incompetent employees in my time that are constantly screwing around--and management knows they are screwing around. Nothing is ever done because it is deemed that "too much" hassle is involved in getting rid of a federal employee. Maybe Mr. Dobson had a bad attitude and the Navy wanted to get rid of him for years. The man has 30 years in...he might as well just retire early, instead of trying to find another job where he is going to have to explain why he was fired.

Other Issues?

Worker
DoD
Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:07 AM

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There has to be more to this. How does a person go from 30 years of good performance to crappy performance in less than 6 months (from the mid-term feedback to the point of the PIP)? It has been my experience that unless this guy had some type of breakdown (to include addictions) or physical ailment, dramatic changes like this are extremely rare. That is why clearance investigations cover a period of history; past performance and behaviour are excellent indicators of future behaviour. Something doesn't add up here. I wonder if the supervisor or other leadership were fairly new and there were some personal issues involved? Wouldn't be the first time that has happened.

Victory over Mediocrity

Director
DoD
Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:41 AM

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Too many times, end of career employees shift into neutral. This creates a harmful work environment if not dealt with properly.

Bravo Zulu to the Navy MSC for using the HR process as is intended to ensure the DoD and federal government are good stewards of taxpayer funded performance. One gone, many more to go. If we could only get more employees under NSPS, we could really start separating those who deliver results from those that achieve attendance.

Railroaded

Federal Manager
Federal Bureau of Prisons
Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:43 AM

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The fact that 30 years of good performance did not count for anything and the fact that in 60 days a good carrer employee misteriously turns bad tells me that something fishy has happened in this decision. A new boss? A fall out with a supervisor? Unofficial whistle blow?

I think it stinks and I'm not a judge.
I think the court is in it.

NSPS

Program Analyst
USAF
Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:45 AM

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This is what NSPS can bring us. Don't know the whole story, but how many of with all the turnover going on in the goverment and alot of us on new positions would want to be held to that kind of scrutiny...

Re: NSPS

HR Officer
DOD
Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:49 AM
This has nothing to do with NSPS... this guy was fired with a good, old-fashioned 432 performance-based action. Under NSPS, the Navy would have had to do this as a 752 adverse action... then this hapless 30-year employee would have had things like his 30-years of good service considered as a Douglas factor...

seems excessive

administrative assistant
opm
Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:59 AM

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not knowing the details, removal after 30 years of satisfactory service seems excessive. I feel like there is something missing.

I'm unemployed

Ex USCIS Officer
USCIS
Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:06 AM

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I was a term employee of USCIS who was laid off. I had over ten years experience, and my performance was above fully successful. Unfortunately, I have no recourse and am now on unemployment. I somewhat sympathize with this guy, I know how he feels. I made the mistake of taking a term job when I was a perm employee in 2002.

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