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Defining "Fired" From Any Job

Ingenuity

Another Agent
IRS
Tue Aug 5, 2008 8:10 AM

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If you overlook the stupidity and mendacity of this woman, you have to give her credit for ingenuity. "I was filling out a federal form so the question must have referred only to previous federal jobs. Therefore, I can ignore the other four times I was fired." In some agencies, this type of thinking would qualify the applicant for a high management position.

Re: Ingenuity

HR Spec
Federal
Tue Aug 5, 2008 8:46 AM
Funny, I was thinking it would qualify them to be a union steward.

Re: Ingenuity

DoD Civ
AF
Tue Aug 5, 2008 9:36 AM
I had worked for a hospital, before I applied for a job with the AF. It was my first time appling for a Gov job and even I understood what that question meant.

If this woman has a degree of some kind I wonder where/how she got it.

Re: Ingenuity

HR Manager (Retired)
DoD
Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:05 PM
To HR Specialist: Why the chip on the shoulder about union stewards? Your comment indicates that you don’t have what it takes to be an effective HR Specialist. Persons with an attitude like you apparently have don’t make good HR specialists - they just help to unnecessarily widen the divide between management and the union on the most of menial of issues. Effective HR specialists simply accept the fact that in certain HR specializations they must deal with Unions and treat them with due respect.

Re: Ingenuity

Yes I am, and So Can You
Agency
Wed Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM
HR Specialist: Keep up the sense of humor; the place works better with a bit of levity.

HR Retired Manager: HR Specialist is right, in the context of the initial statement, and others of similar ilk. And hey, he is somewhat right because this case has the makings of many that the unions defend and that HR and Management must pull hair over. And in closing, don' be so hard on the HR Professionals that must deal with real crap and stupidity on a regular basis. The last manager I had did that and routinely fed us the same bilge that is provided here. End result, the union ran the service, almost, and the Specialists were sick. Now, HEEHEEHEE... I am the manager, and guess what, the Great Specialists working for me (WITH ME) actually work with the unions by not giving away the farm.

And in closing, it is likely you know nothing of this Specialist and are in no position to judge.

And YES, there are LOTS of stupid union people out there,

Managers too.

Re: Ingenuity

HR Manager (Retired)
DoD
Fri Aug 8, 2008 9:25 AM
To Yes: I know enough to know that he/she would not have been on my staff.

Re: Ingenuity

Retired
DOD
Fri Aug 8, 2008 11:36 AM
Giving away the farm? That's all that HR people are supposed to be worried about? How about both sides sitting down regularly and figuring out how to solve problems. Maybe then, people wouldn't think they "give away the farm" when they settle something in the Union's favor.

She is lucky she wasn't charged with a crime

Program Analyst
OPM
Tue Aug 5, 2008 8:51 AM

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This woman was a terrible liar. The question asks about being let go by "any job," implying both private and public sectors. If she is truly illiterate (or misunderstood the question), she could have asked questions when the investigator came about what the question encompassess. That is the point of the background interview--to tie up any loose ends. She is also lucky that she was not charged with a felony. It is a crime to lie on the background questionnaire (title 18, U.S. code, section 1001).

Re: She is lucky she wasn't charged with a crime

analyst
DOD
Tue Aug 5, 2008 10:15 AM
The woman is a moron.

Oh PULEEZE

Emergency Manaement Specialist
DOE
Tue Aug 5, 2008 9:19 AM

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Fired is fired no matter whether it was a civilian or FED job. She lied and knew she was lying.

I Already make It Broader

Fed Peasant
DOD
Tue Aug 5, 2008 9:34 AM

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Let's included as "fired" the politicians who get voted out of office. Many of them are not worthy of my vote, & will get fired come January 2009. REMEMBER....these elected officials work for us & are our employees!!!

Re: I Already make It Broader

HR manager
DA
Tue Aug 5, 2008 11:42 AM
A political office is in a different context than a "regular job" in terms of getting "fired". I would not included (sic) politicians being voted out of office as employees being fired. A politician can conceivably represent their constituents on an honorable basis, but risk not being reelected because enough constituents disagree with the course of action taken by that politician. That's different than not being able or willing to live up to the terms of employment set by your employer.

Fired

Aerospace Engineer
DoD
Tue Aug 5, 2008 1:15 PM

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Fired 4 times in 5 years? Sounds like a stellar employee to me. Being fired once could be a bad boss or supervisor, but 4 times in 5 years shows a real bad pattern.

She probably figured that nobody would actually check with the employers that she put down on her application. Lots of prospective employers never check references and it's amazing what people lie about and get away with. In this case, I'm glad that her references were checked and this dirtbag was discharged before she had a chance to become another govt. problem child.

Come On

HR Manager (Retired)
DoD
Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:53 PM

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Does she really expect anyone to take her point of view. The question is pretty straigh forward. Bottom line she lied on her application.

FIRING

Project Officer
DHHS
Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:56 PM

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i am surprised that her past employers were even able to give out this information regarding being terminated. many employers today can only provide information regarding ending salary, position held and date of seperation.

Re: FIRING

HR Professional
DHHS
Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:20 PM
You are absolutely correct. Many employers have new policy mandating that only certain information can be given out to prospective employers. Although she was very wrong in what she did in filling out and falsifying her application, she may need to check her past employers policy regarding what information can be given out to prospective employers. If her past employers violated their company policy, she may have a case even though she was wrong.

Re: FIRING

fed employee
SSA
Tue Aug 5, 2008 7:39 PM
Now employer's ask previous employer's if they would hire you back again and if the answer is no then the new employer knows that you were fired or asked to resign.

Re: FIRING

Yes I am, and So Can You
Agency
Wed Aug 6, 2008 2:42 PM
It was not employer to employer.

This information came off of a background investigation.

Vastly different than being asked by a prospective employer.
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