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Not Eligible to Retire? What Happens if You Create New Data for Your Retirement Application?

just plain fraud

retired
irs
Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:07 PM

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The story doesn't mention this, but I hope the government also sues him to recover any annuity payments which he fraudulently obtained, along with interest, as well as any government portion of his health insurance.

Re: just plain fraud

Outraged
IRS
Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:30 AM
Amen, brudder. I'd also like to know his citizenship status, real or imagined.

This Susan Smith article

HR Specialist
OPM
Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:55 AM

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It's nice to know that, contrary to the observation of Charles Dickens' character Mr. Bumble in David Copperfield, the law is not always "a ass" (sic), as seen in this victory for common sense in the Federal Circuit Court decision discussed in the article.

Some slick lawyer

Prog Mgt
ISRA
Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:24 AM

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If indeed DOE agreed to letting him retire instead of
removing him, how long do you think it will be before
some ACLU or union or some other group's attorney
comes up with.......SINCE HE CAN'T RETIRE, DOE NEEDS TO RESTORE HIS JOB WITH FULL PAY AND ALLOWANCES FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME HE NEEDS TO QUALIFY FOR RETIREMENT. Hey, you know very well goffier things have happened!

Lying on job application

Engineer
HUD
Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:51 AM

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An "engineer" where I work lied on his application for employment when he stated that he has an engineering degree. Management is aware that he does not have a degree.
I wrote to the OSC about this but they were not interested.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to whom I should contact to report this and see that this employee is terminated?

Re: Lying on job application

hydraulic Engineer
DOD retired
Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:53 AM
unless the position is required to be a P.E. there is probably a loop hole that experience can count instead of a degree. The other catch is an HR question did he lie on application or just make a honest mistake. I have trouble with this one also, it seems you know you have a degree or do not have a degree but I know of one example where HR allowed “Computer Engineer” to remain in an engineering position saying the someone had accidently checked a box. But the only other two times someone lied on there application they were out door the afternoon it surfaced but they had to with criminal records and previous firing not reported correctly.

Re: Lying on job application

Engineer
Energy
Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:41 PM
post his name and information here and Ill get it to the right people, aslo provide the names of those in managment who know this.

Re: Lying on job application

Engineer
Energy
Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:08 AM
Well the comments here only show the ignorance of the public when they react without the facts. The Appeal to the fourth circuit is only one of probably twenty civil actions that are pending. Before you make negative comments or want to hang someone you should get ALL the facts. First the governement lied about him not being a US citizen, second he did NOT retire on his own accord, third the governement is the one who not only choose the date but made him use that date even thought they knew it was wrong. the government witnesses lied to cover this up. All the evidence is now out see his blog http://martin-salazar.blogspot.com/ before you critize. The government is getting the response they wanted by promoting a false represetation of the facts. Who you should be upset with is the Energy Dept. because it is now going to cost the taxpayers (you) millions of dollars, and they are spending millions to cover this up. Read the evidence, then contact your congress and Senate to complain.

Re: Lying on job application

HR specialist (ret)
DOI
Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:23 AM
Folks, please remember: HR doesn't allow someone to stay in a position, any more than they fire someone. That's up to management. And HR will be in trouble if they insinuate to anyone that management wouldn't let the person go. Hence the "mistake" cover-up story.

Lying on an application

Assistant Regional Counsel (Ret)
SSA/DOJ
Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:31 AM

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To HUD Engineer. It’s hard to say how you should proceed. Usually, when there is a licensing or education requirement for a job and it turns out that the individual lied about having the qualification, the agency fires him or her and is almost never reversed. In your case you have to first of all know how you know what his job application actually says. You don’t want to violate the Privacy Act or other rules about privacy by pushing this too hard. If there is a problem and management will not act then you may try your HR office as they often see the bigger picture. If that does not work the agency may be stimulated by a newspaper article or congressional inquiry–but you need to make sure your hands are clean before you initiate any such disclosure.

Lying on job application

Another Government Employee
Does it matter?
Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:16 PM

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As a former union rep, I kept copy of all vacancy announcements of my Agency (our State only) which were not that much anyhow.

Ask an Union Rep if they have copy of the announcement. Check position requirements and then find out all you can about the "unqualified" employee. The go do a anonimous hotline complaint.

Who knows, someone may be listening out there...

Could he lose everything?

Another Government Employee
Does it matter?
Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:25 PM

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He lied about his birth-place. Doesn't this make him an illegal inmigrant; therefore not entitled to work with the US Governent, and therefore not eligible for any type of retirement?

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