Re: gender change

You are absolutely correct humans are not GOD, we make mistakes. He does not. This is yet another lie; there is NO, I repeat, NO scientific proof of any specific gene, DNA evidence, etc. that gets crossed, lost or what ever that makes us the WRONG sex. It is strickly preference. Again God does not make mistakes, we do.

Re: gender change

Navy Vet, using your logic all the people who are born or become disabled or suffer life long illnesses are at fault personally for their condition and God had nothing to do with it. In this case, David was born with a recognized, treatable condition. Just because you're not comfortable with it, doesn't mean it isn't real.

Re: gender change

Well, "proof" is a hard thing to come by in science, Vet -- in science almost everything starts as a theory -- but there are studies that indicate what is going on in transsexual's brains. --> http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2008/06/bigender-and-brain.html

I would think, though, that what this really would be about is whether or not Col. Schroer, as a special forces terrorism expert, was qualified and the best person for the job she applied for.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I keep hearing about the "war on terrorism" -- If we have a person who was the best qualified person for for an anti-terrorism job and we didn't hire this person because she was a transsexual, then in the government's view the war on terrorism must not be a very serious thing. Or, bias and predudice is more important to the governement than actually winning that war on terrorism.

Re: gender change

First, please leave G-d out of this. Religion has nothing to do with the selection. The man was selected as the best person to do the job. if he becomes a she, then the next question is, is this person the best qualified to do the job. If the answer is yes, then this person must get the job. The burden of proof would be on the selector to show why the sex change makes this person not the best qualified to do the job.
Otherwise this is politics, which must be left out. We had enough of this with the justice department.

Re: GOOD DECISION JUDGE

Where is the fear?

I read the offer was resinded due to the Security Clearance tied to David and the process of changing it to Diane. I personally think either one would be very successful at the position. But let David become Diane and seek the required security clearance and apply for a position as Diane.

The ruling was an obvious policitical decision not based on the fact of the case.

Re: We must be FORCED to be enlightened

Wow – and you are an HR consultant! I am glad we never used your services. As an HR consultant you should know that, personal beliefs aside, the reasons the selecting official stated for withdrawing the offer have no legal, or logical, basis.

Re: We must be FORCED to be enlightened

To the contrary, my point is that there is indeed a logical basis; and that the notion that the the people have no wisdom, and that reality is whatever we wish is illogical and absurd.

Where is the evidence that humanity throughout the ages are fools, ane are so logicial? Is it in our divorce rate, our suicide rate, our crime rate, our illegitimacy rate, our our happiness rate?

Where is the logic in the replies? They amount to this claim:

1. I am a good person.
2. I disagree with you.
3. Therefore, you are not a good person. (A "hater" no less!)

This is irrationality on stilts.

I would never want my child or friend to be mutulated when they need help. That is not love. That is not logic.

I'd like to see rationality expressed by those who claim that we can just wish our own reality. Even a little.

Re: We must be FORCED to be enlightened

It is interesting that you entitled your comments "forced to be enlightened" and unfortunate that you have such a limited perspective on the human experience. Your statements about "dangerously mentally ill/murder" in the context of this particular article is extremely crass.
I would hope that in your functions as an HR consultant you are able to keep your personal viewpoints in check, as I believe you would be doing a great disservice to your clientele otherwise.

Re: We must be FORCED to be enlightened

"Schroer has an XY chromosome in every single cell of his body: he was born male..."

You don't know that for sure and I doubt whether Schroer does either. A little web searching will reveal that humanity is much more than the simple binary of male and female. Gender is determined much more by what each of us *believes* ourselves to be rather than apparent physical characteristics. It's nearly impossible to define gender at the physical level because there are always exceptions. There are known genetic conditions when a man can have XX chromosomes and a woman can be XY.
If you claim a woman is someone who can give birth, then you deny a female incapable of giving birth the right to call herself a woman.

Laws rooted in the definition of gender, such as the definition of marriage, will always be unfairly discriminatory because there will always be exceptions to the common notions of male and female. Humanity is a wide spectrum, not a simple binary system.

Re: We must be FORCED to be enlightened

I don’t know if you are a “hater” or not but your stated beliefs provide a good insight into how you view and treat others. It is also obvious by the “force” with which you expressed your views that you are in the wrong business as I don’t see how you can keep from providing HR services which are distorted, to say the least. Companies who want to provide a good work environment do not need HR consultants, managers, supervisors or employees who have such slanted views of people.

Re: We must be FORCED to be enlightened

We've only known that ad homen attacks (to attack the person, rather that to debate the idea) is a logical falicy for how many thousand years? (Since the ancient Greeks, at least.)

Well, when you don't have a rational argument--you are claiming the genitile mutualation is a good substitute for treatment in the case of a delusion--I guess there really is nothing else to do but to attack the person. And, of course, congratulate yourself for being so enlightened and humanitarian!

Re: We must be FORCED to be enlightened

HR Specialist - may I ask you to please do some reading on the subject? One of the preconditions of a diagnosis of GID- Transsexuality - is that the patient *not* be deluded.

There's now a mountain of evidence that transsexuality is a form of intersex. Intersex is a common (1 in 60) condition, meaning with a body neither wholly male nor wholly female. Most with it are asymptomatic - you could be one of them - but for perhaps 1 in 1000, the symptoms can be spectacular and distressing.

Transsexuality means the lymbic system of the brain, the part that involves instincts, emotions, ovulation etc is cross-gendered compared with most or all of the rest of the body. Many Transsexuals have other Intersex conditions too. This leads to a cross-gendered gender identity. "Woman trapped in a man's body" is over-simplified, but close enough.

As any competent HR person knows, the ADA specifically excludes them from coverage, as they're too embarassing. They make people like you uneasy

Re: We must be FORCED to be enlightened

nice job zoe...... Other things to note..... There are over 900 known genes that relate to gender (human genome project)...endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs) have been proven to cause xy females. EDCs are found all around us, plastics, medicine, etc. They have enormous effects on prenatal gender development. There is a town in Greenland that can no longer produce children with male genitals. Primary cause is believed to be polution in the food supply. (ocean) conclusion: it's much more complex than a single switch in the genome and most likely only going to become more common if we don't identify and remove the pollutants.

Re: Justice Served

David was a high enough caliber person to have a security clearance during his 25 year career in the Army Special Forces. And he wasn't asking for a higher preference or special treatment. He had already been offered the job.

Re: Justice Served

Sounds like Tech Dod is the wack job? No logical reason was given for not hiring the person. Just nonsense.
Tell me why a person who had a sex change cannot be the best qualified person to do the job.

Re: GENDER?

"WE CAN REALLY GET ALONG IF WE JUST TRY."

Ah, yes! And I can see that the method of trying that you propose consists of name calling, insults, straw arguments, etc. What "tolerance and acceptance"!

So, as I understank your post, I'm supposed to call you names, insult you, and grossly misrepresent you beliefs. And that will be the type of effort which will allow us to get a long?

Re: gender

Delusions are to be TREATED; mutilation is the heartless approach of the bind ideolgue.

Actually, the judge is not normal: normal people understand that there is something basic, and non-negotiable, about our sexual identities.

You bring up the election (Sarah P)--and those who like her. Makes sense. The above comments are mostly about ideology over reason...and certainly ideology over common sense. The ideologues think that your average person, who does indeed prays, is dispicable, laughable...and weird.

We'll see if hatred of religious people is a good election strategy: it hasn't been in the past! Scorning about half of the electorate is a read dumb way to try to win an election. Incredibly dumb.

McCain/Palin should loose big this year (due to the economy, and unpopular President, etc.): if they win, it will be because so many Democrates are twisted with hate towards the common person with their common sense...and religion.

And how clearly we see that above.