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Bailouts and Blame

THE BLAME

TERRY TAYLOR
SSA
Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:35 AM

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I think it is ignorance that makes folks blame the Bush Administration for the mess. Bush and several Republican Senators tried from 2001 on the get more oversight of Fannie and Freddie and Barney Franks in the House and his counterpart in the Senate fought it tooth and nail and now "the honorable?" Mr. Franks is trying to shift all the blame to someone else...but the old video of his opposition doesn't lie. The blame clearly should be at the feet of Congress and particularly the ones who made the loaning practices of Fannie and Freddie a mockery.

Re: THE BLAME

Fed Worker & Union Guy
DOD
Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:11 PM
The effort to privatize social security is now vaporized. That idea is now banished, & will never come back!!

Re: THE BLAME

team leader
DoD
Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:16 PM
Fed Worker, you're comparing apples to oranges. The social security debate involved investing in safe and well diversified broad indexes. The current crisis was caused by concentrated investing in a single high risk sector.

Your response, while emotionally understandable is a knee jerk reaction that doesn't hold up to a critical examination of the facts.

Bailout

Training Manager
FAA
Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:45 AM

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Here's an idea. Instead of giving $700 billion plus to the mortgage companies and such, why don't we just payoff all of our home loans with that money and call it even?

Re: Bailout

Specialist
Federal Agency
Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:52 AM
And, I'll take my home into foreclosure so I can have my home loan paid off too!

I don't agree with the bail out, nor do I agree that the money should pay off the foreclosed homes. Doing so hurts taxpayers who are PAYING their bills and who used common sense when they purchased homes - they bought within their means!

Who Is Responsible?

Progam Manager
DoD
Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:06 AM

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Patrick Leahy lead the effort to force banks and lending institutions give sub-prime mortgages to those who did not qualify for such loans under the existing guidelines. Although this was a noble sentiment, it has proven to be fiscally reckless. It is untrue and unfair to totally blame the executive branch for the laws passed by the legislative branch. The action available once Congress passed the law was for the President to veto it; this too may have been useless as there probably enough support to override the veto. As for the rescue plan, we must act now; I do not know what the right answer is but the longer we wait, the worse it will get.

Bailouts and Blame

Business Analyst
Defense Contracts Management Agency
Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:10 AM

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What more can I add? I agree with the feelings expressed by the supervisor with Customs and Border Protection in Eureka, Montana and the contracts manager with NASA in Huntsville, AL. Those of us who acted responsibly throughout our lives should not have to pay for those who are not! Does anyone recollect the fable about the Ant and The Grasshopper?

I will agree with the program manager from the Dept. of Commerce in Washington in seeking remedy as taxpayers if we DO have to bail out the system.

Re: Bailouts and Blame

Worker
VA
Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:26 AM
I wholeheartedly agree. Regardless of your income, YOUR decisions should affect YOUR livelihood, not the livelihood of others who are fiscally responsible, that includes the clowns on Wallstreet, who are afraid that their former decisions are now haunting them. How can you blame someone else for your mistakes? I, too, would like the taxpayers to pay for my mortgage and other investments, but that is not reality, nor should it be for the folks who have screwed the country and want a bailout. Get a life!

Hello

retired
U S P S
Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:13 AM

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The undecided HELLO are you alive in there. Or is the sawdust getting in the way.

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Retired USPS
Postal service
Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:33 AM
Maybe we should all understand that the response from Paulson Bernanke Cox underlies the real show stopper here. While mainstreet focuses on blaming the defaulting mortgage holders via irresponsible lenders the issuance of Credit Default Swaps [CDS] by the likes of AIG, Lehman, etc. is the true devil. We are being asked to collateralize leveraged purchases of to 40 to 1 ratios so Wall Street will be made whole under the hubris of saving the little guy. Brilliant!! As an American I ask you to stop drinking the Kool aid of the Media left and right. Do your home work. Google Credit Default Swaps and see how both Parties have totally failed us. Yes lending money to people too easily, a mistake. No regulation of what Warren Buffet termed 'Economic WMDs', a mistake. Should you and I bail either out? Never

Re: Hello

Nameless, Faceless Nobody
DOD
Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:35 PM
Actually, the sawdust is doing fine. I chose "undecided". While a bailout may be necessary to keep the wheels of commerce turning, the succuss or failure of the buyout will depend on who well it is done. If someone just opens up a 7 billion dollar account with no oversight then it will fail. If the bailout supports the big companies and investors without care for the average guy (and taxpayer,) then it will fail.

So, I hope, (I do, I do, I do,) that congress and the president and the banking wizards all do something that will be historic in its ability to turn around this situation.

Alas, I fear they will simply continue to make their political and commercial buddies rich.

Therefore, this sawdust-filled head cannot tell yet if a bailout is a good idea or not.

Root Causes

HR Specialist
IRS
Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:18 AM

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I think that one of the root causes of this problem can be traced back to the decline of the educational system in this country. People have lost the ability to analyze situations and arrive at rational appropriate decisions and solutions i.e. individuals and the government can't keep spending more money than they have earned, or in the case of government have taxed the citizenry. This should have been intuitive to individuals with analytical abilities. The second root problem is the decline in moral values in this country and the western world. Whatever happened to honesty and running a business that has ethics standards? Far too many people merely mouth the mantras of their chosen political party.

Re: Root Causes

Specialist
Federal Agency
Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:19 PM
Here, here on the decline of the educational system! Let's get back to teaching soft skills like the ability to balance your own checkbook and how to properly use credit.

Re: Root Causes

Editor
DoD
Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:24 AM
Totally agree - HR Specialist, you are right on target! The morality (or lack thereof) comes into play among the rich and the poor alike - corrupt/overpaid CEOs on one side, people who are perfectly fit to work, yet live off of welfare on the other.

Home Ownership

Project Manager
HUD
Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:21 AM

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Home ownership is not for everyone. It should be reserved only for those with proven good credit, those that have saved money for a down payment and the ability to pay around 30% of their monthly income for housing. There should be no shame in renting a house or apt. if you are personally not there. The administration crammed homeownership down everyone's throat as the right thing for ALL americans and worked backward from there by making it too easy and available to those that should rent and be happy.

Re: Home Ownership

Worker
DoD
Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:57 AM
Exactly which administration are you talking about? From my perspective, this is an issue caused and exacerbated by members of both parties and over multiple presidential administrations.
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