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Energy Independence or Death

Energy Crisis - WHERE, WHEN?

grunt worker
Department of Justine
Mon Oct 6, 2008 8:54 AM

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When will you people stop scamming the American people. The price of oil today has nothing to do with with a shortage. There is plenty of oil and that's a fact Jack. If only we had a shortage of greed - namely the Bush administration with Chaney at the helm and the CEO's of the oil companies fka the seven sisters.

Re: Energy Crisis - WHERE, WHEN?

Labor Employee Relations Manager
VA
Mon Oct 6, 2008 9:49 AM
I agree to some degree. Specylators have had the biggest impact and we need to reinstate the regulations that Reagon had in place to keep speculators under control.

The Republicans need to work with the Dems on this and the Dems need to work with the GOP to get more of our energy to market.

The author fundamentally misunderstand the issue

Consultant
none
Mon Oct 6, 2008 9:23 AM

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Allowing for drilling offshore and in our wildlife refuges will not help us become energy independent.

First, oil companies won't take us up on it. They'll take the leases, and make whatever minimal progress is required to keep them, but they won't drill any time soon. As a business person, you should understand that they have no incentive to drill here when they have to pay 10 times the amount in labor and overhead as they do in the Middle East or South America.

Second, it's a drop in the bucket. We would be much better off re-investing in mass transit - freight rail, passenger rail, and light rail.

Third, we might need those oil reserves in the future. What if China outbids us? What if the Middle East powers form an alliance and cut us off?

It hurts now, yes. But let's not act without thinking.

Re: The author fundamentally misunderstand the issue

HR Specialist
DoD
Mon Oct 6, 2008 11:07 AM
Oil companies have always drilled where there is plentiful oil easily available.

They do not drill where, after obtaining a lease, they do a full study and find that it does not appear to be much oil to be gained.

Nor it an either/or situation: we need to do all possible options. This does include "re-investing in mass transit - freight rail, passenger rail, and light rail"--but to not do additional things as well makes no sense. It is not possible to put a rail line to everybody's house, and for it to go (efficiently) to where ever they might like to go on that day. Nor is our energy use confined to transportation.

We have become an unserious country.

Energy Independence

Program Manger
DLA
Mon Oct 6, 2008 9:24 AM

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Its about time someone told it like it is. We need energy independence now, not ten years from now. Stop importing petroleum. Better acute pain now, than chronic pain for decades. The U.S. can perform miracles when properly motivated. Force the changes now, including conservation by stopping the importation of oil now. In general, we should import no more from a country than they import from us. That should include the oil countries. In fact, we should import less, until our negative balance of payments is erased.

Re: Energy Independence

Diversity Manager
DOL
Mon Oct 6, 2008 12:35 PM
What Pickens has been saying is we need all the tools we have to obtain energy independence. He's not saying stop drilling for oil.
The issue is to stop the kook left environmentalists ideas from entering the main stream. japan and Europe get 20% of their energy from nuclear power. We developed it and get 2% because of these nuts. We've been subsidizing solar and wind since the mid 70's and generate the same % of power that we did then. Solar and wind have a role but its so small its not even enough to worry about.
We need an energy bill that generates energy not $$$ for special environmental interests

Stuck on Oil

IT Specialist
USPTO
Mon Oct 6, 2008 9:37 AM

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It's true; the sky is falling. Actually, it's not but 20 years from now we'll look back and ask what really happened to our economic wealth. By then it's too, too late. Have you looked at your investments lately and asked where did it go. Well, greedy people are always part blame but lack of foresight is also part of the blame game. Give me 200B of the 700B that you spend this year on oil and I can produce 100M barrels of oil for you. It's oil from CO2 out of the oceans using OTEC technologies. After the initial investment, the rest is profit for your pockets. Wow! Foresight ?? People only live for now not tomorrow.

What about conservation?

Procurement Analyst
Navy
Mon Oct 6, 2008 9:47 AM

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Not one word about the effects on global warming.
Not one word about cutting back on our usage (we're 3% of the world's population and we use 25% of the energy). When I was growing up there was a "family" car. Now every over indulged teenager has one and most families I know have 3 or 4 cars (and a lot of folks have a big gas guzzling SUVs). No wonder we're in the mess we are. Let's make conservation part of the answer.

Re: What about conservation?

worker
us govt
Tue Oct 7, 2008 10:06 AM
Yes, we do need to conserve, but quit comparing us to the rest of the world. A large percentage of the world still cooks over open flames, lives in grass huts without any power, and washes their clothes in the stream.
Therefore they use less energy.

Everyone knows, or should know how to save energy.
If each of us would make a small effort to conserve the total would make a big difference.

Re: What about conservation?

Diversity Manager
DOL
Tue Oct 7, 2008 12:17 PM
When I was growing up the same global warming kooks were claims we were entering an ice age and that mankind was doomed... 10 years later the same kooks again proclaimed that the earth's population had crossed the point of no return and could not grow enough food to sustain itself, 2B people later everyone is fine.
Is the planet getting warmer sure is it a problem noooo. What makes you think that today's temperature is the ideal one??

Energy Independence or Death-By James O. Armstrong

Accountant
Air Force/AFMC
Mon Oct 6, 2008 9:51 AM

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Regarding ANWR, the author has no business telling us that because he believes Gov Palin that the rest of us should also. And he's advocating nuclear just because France has found a way to make it work? Work how? By sending their radioactive waste to the US? I recall that nuclear waste disposal has and always will be dangerous and problematic. Nobody really wants it in their backyard...do you? And coal, while abudant in the US is still quite dirty and is linked to health problems. Trading pollution credits or burying pollution isn't an answer either. And where does God have anything to do with our poor leadership and bad decisisions. He should keep his religious beliefs where they belong...to himself.

DRILL BABY DRILL

Labor Employee Relations Manager
VA
Mon Oct 6, 2008 9:57 AM

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Yes this includes ANWR! As an Alaskan, I am ready and willing to help provide energy for this country.

I also believe we need to start on alternatives NOW. Can I pull up to any gas station off of any interstate and get CNG or Hydrogen? No! We need to start to build this infrastructure...NOW. Until then, we need oil. Alaska is ready.

Also we need to close the loop hole that allowed the oil companies to sell Alaska oil overseas. The moratorium was lifted in 2003 which allowed BP, Conoco to sell Alaska oil overseas. This reduced the amount of oil coming to the U.S from 25% to less than 12%.

Reinstate the moratorium and require all oil from Alaska to be refined in the U.S. for American citizens.

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