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Following the Herd? TSP Investors Moving Billions into the G Fund

ability to move money around funds

supervisor
GSA
Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:12 AM

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We are each responsible for the success or failure of our 401K account. As our own personal financial manager we should have the ability to move our money around any of the G funds whenever we want. The premise that it is too costly or burdernsome on the TSP is bogus. Our money is at stake!

Re: ability to move money around funds

PROPULSION SPECIALIST
AFMC
Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:39 PM
I agree with you 100%.

You haven't said a thing

Engineer/Manager
Dod
Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:21 AM

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The stock may go up. The stock market may go down.

Really!?!

I said in eleven words what took you several paragraphs. And neither of us said anything new.

TSP

Offer Investigator
IRS
Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:28 AM

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I agree with you that no one knows what is going to happen. We have never experienced this. Our parents remember a similar time. As for me I moved into G in Feb. and am know moving 10% at a time back into C. We will see.

volatility

gs-2210
epa
Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:30 AM

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why doesn't uncle sam provide certified financial planners as parts of the HR teams, if he's going to shift the risk of caring for our retirement funds to us...?

Re: volatility

Diversity Manager
DOL
Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:55 PM
You already have that option, but you have to pay for it like everyone else. Is that the objection having to pay for it??

Re: volatility

Wkr
Navy
Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:36 AM
2210, so you want HR to provide financial advice? Is that so you can blame someone when you don't get what you want? I don't think that it is the responsibilty of HR or anyone else in Federal service to give you financial advice. Go pay for the service.

Re: volatility

analyst
DOD
Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:07 AM
gs2210, from your logic we have to assume that you also want finance personnel to give you HR advice.

Re: volatility

HR Officer
U.S. Army
Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:44 AM
Actually, the benefit that gs-2210 is referring is (providing free/subsidized access to financial planners) is becoming a common fringe benefit in corporate America. In the past, the company/employer invested money on behalf of the employees, using financial planner-type expertise to do so. Now, with the investment being made by the employee individually, the access to financial planning advice is lost. The trend in employee benefits has been to recognize that loss by the employee and restore the benefit by discounts prices at commercial financial planning services. No one is suggesting that the HR staff of the organization provide the advice (not part of our skill set), but instead that it be purchased from outside vendors.

The USG usually leads on benefits issues. In this case, it is falling behind.

IGNORANCE LOVES COMPANY

PROPULSION SPECIALIST
AFMC
Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:30 AM

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I am not sure what employees don't understand about buy low sell high. The mindless drones we call employees are just like lemurs falling off a cliff. One does it so they all have to do it. I just don't get what is going through these employees minds. You have a stock in the I fund. It was around $30 a share. Now it is around $15 a share. Simple math I thought. $30 a share move into G fund. $15 a share move back into I fund. Doubled the profit. It doesn't matter if it sets in the G fund for a year. The G fund doesn't make much but you don't loose anything in it why you are waiting to put it back in at a very low buy in. I am sadened that employees can not grasp the concept.

Re: IGNORANCE LOVES COMPANY

Rocket Scientist
Mindless Drone Protection Agency
Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:01 PM
Do your insulting, arrogant remarks make you feel superior and all better now? People make their own choices about their retirement funds, for different reasons. As of Monday the I fund was down almost 45%. What if I had all my retirement money invested in the I fund. And what if I was planning to retire at the end of this year. I wouldn't have much more than HALF of what I've saved and earned in a better market to retire on. How many years do you think it would take, once the market turns, to recoup huge losses? Is it hurting you personally in any way that these "mindless drones" are making different choices about their retirement funds than you are?

Re: IGNORANCE LOVES COMPANY

Supervisory IT Specialist
DON
Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:30 PM
The concept is simple. The execution has been proven to be impossible. Since we can not predict the future, how do you know you are buying and selling at the correct time?

Plus, by moving your money around a lot, you are missing out on big market upswings. Those upswings happen infrequently and only 2 or 3 times a year. If you miss them, you rate of return is cut drasticly.

Buy and hold is the only strategy that gets close to market rates. Thats one of the reasons that 95% off all actively traded funds don't match the market (index funds).

Re: IGNORANCE LOVES COMPANY

AUSA
DOJ
Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:25 PM
Here's the problem with your thinking. No one - and I mean no one - even those PhDs who study the markets full-time with the most sophisticated mathematical models can accurately and consistently predict when the markets will go up and down. A few can be lucky in a pick once or twice - but none - none will do it consistently over long periods of time. Think about it - if you could reliably market time the market's ups and downs you would have more money than God. Many try--all eventually fail. Man simply cannot predict the market direction reliably over extended periods of time. What to do? Dollar cost average and slowly adjust asset allocation to bonds ("G" and "F") - very slowly- as you get older. At age 65 you should stand put at a 40/60 stock/bond allocation for the rest of your life. This is simple and it works -- but it's not at all fansy. It's even boring but it works. Have 30+ working years - this approach will make you a multi-millionaire. Forget your market timing.

Re: IGNORANCE LOVES COMPANY

PROPULSION SPECIALIST
AFMC
Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:37 PM
It actualy makes a huge difference. The herd pushes all the money out of the stock market at a huge loss and that in turn leaves less money in the market for the investors to invest our money with. If employees have left their money in the I fund until it is to late then there is no reason to take it out now and put it back in when it is high again. $30 high-$15 low=$15 difference on the positive side. $15 low-$30=$15 diffenence on the negative side. I fund setting at $15 and employee was unlucky enough to have not wartched the market and taken it out at $30 a share, then why take it out of the I fund at $15 and put in the G fund for a certain loss to never go up any more than the value of a government bond.
There are many published magazines and newspapers that can be subsribed to that are usually correct to a certain percentage of what will happen within the next week or month. The good ones cost around $275 a year. Well worth it to be active in ones own retirement.

Re: IGNORANCE LOVES COMPANY

Supervisory IT Specialist
DON
Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:26 AM
So, there are magazines that hold the secret to the market (and unlimited wealth) for only $275 a year?

How come everyone is not using them? I mean, its free money, right? Guaranteed to win?

Re: IGNORANCE LOVES COMPANY

PROPULSION SPECIALIST
AFMC
Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:22 AM
Because employees are torn between buying a six pack and paying for their future.

MARKET DECLINE

CSR
IRS
Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:12 PM

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thanks,mr. smith. steady advice in an unsteady time. i'm in the s fund and i'll be staying for a while, fighting my impulse to move with the herd. i'm betting my future that the american and world economies will recover. if not, i can always sell pencils on the corner!!!!

Interfund Transfer Limits Contribute to Shift

Professional
Leg. Branch
Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:39 PM

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After the first 2 trades, TSP participants can only transfer into the G fund for the rest of the month. It was foreseeable that over time a larger percentage of funds would shift into the G fund regardless of market conditions.

Participants can no longer move back to the stock funds when they feel more secure about their investments and the markets. The Board has made what was a temporary shelter (G Fund) for some of us into a permanent home with this new policy

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