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MSPB Endorses Alternative Discipline, Encourages Training for Managers and Practitioners
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none
Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:02 AM
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MSPB, needs to be disbanded, instead of helping veterans they have turned into an agency lapdog, and are clueless in ADA and Rehab Act Laws.
Alternative discipline VS. ADR
USDA-RD
Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:30 AM
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I was wondering what is the definition of Alternative Discipline and when I clicked the OPM's link what I found was the specifics of ADR. Is this the same ? I thouhgt it was a different concept. Please advise
Re: Alternative discipline VS. ADR
Anonymous
Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:04 AM
Alternative discipline takes place after a determination has been made that an employee has done something for which discipline is appropriate. But, rather than take the disciplinary action (reprimand, suspension, or removal), the agency offers a different way of helping the employee to see the error of his or her ways.
In short, the big difference is that ADR is for any conflict that arises from humans interacting, and Alt. Disc. is for when there is a defined event for which corrective action is appropriate, but the agency uses something less traditional to get the employee’s attention.
Do They Work?
Oaklandon Road
Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:30 AM
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Has anyone done a study on whether or not these programs work? Are they any more effective than just firing or suspending the bums and letting God sort it out?
Alternative Discipline
DLA
Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:40 AM
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I have worked many years in employee relations and find no value in holding suspension actions in abeyance for significant periods of time. Supervisors move on to new jobs, HR specialists go elsewhere, and employees themselves change jobs. To continue to track an employee's conduct back to an original abeyance agreement over months and years can easily become unmanageable. I strongly recommend a supervisor reach a final decision in the here and now instead of extending oversight to a preliminary decision over months and years.
Re: Alternative Discipline
Federal Agency
Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:15 AM
Unfortunately, the union screwed up his case. So my friend was forced to take retirement, even though he loved his job. We recently buried my friend, who died of his disease of alcoholism. I just hope that his former supervisor has the decency of having a guilty conscience, for using discipline as punishment rather than a way to correct behavior. Instead of trying to give a sick person the support to try to recover from the deadly disease of addiction; the supervisor just wanted penalize my friend for what the supervisor saw as his moral failings.
Alternative Discipline
Department of Veterans Affairs
Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:48 AM
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I am interested in the concept of alternative discipline. Please forward any information you have on the subject and training opportunities.
Re: Alternative Discipline
DOL
Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:44 PM
If you want alternatives let the vets receiving care decide, it will open your eyes
Re: Alternative Discipline
Treasury
Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:58 PM
Finding the Report
Anonymous
Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:11 AM
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You may find it helpful to read the report this article is based upon. If you go to www.mspb.gov and click on MSPB STUDIES, it will take you to a page with all the Board’s most recent reports. The one on alternative discipline is listed first. The report itself contains a description of alternative discipline, some examples you can consider using, and a section on what you may want your agreements to contain in order to ensure they are enforceable.
You can also sign up for the listserv on the studies page, to receive notifications when future studies are released.
Alternate Discipline
BOP
Sun Nov 2, 2008 9:40 PM
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As long as Mnagement has unlimited funds paying for unlimited lawyers, we gov employees will be very limited on the discipline favoring us, alternative, traditional or otherwise!