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Pay Raise? What Pay Raise? Why Some Will See a Decrease in Income in 2009

Higher grades pay capped

Asset Manager
HUD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:20 AM

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In many offices, there are several supervisors or higher grade employees that don't do the work that many GS-07 are doing. I personally know a few who can't write a decent "English" letter and do not seem to know how to handle many of the item that come to them. So they know enough to give it to employees who do know how to do them. These people need to be eliminated from HUD's employment list. They would be fired in the "real world".

Re: Higher grades pay capped

Worker
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:11 PM
Sounds like a member of Congress.

who determines which retirees get 5.8% increase

Retired as of 9/07
US Department of Education
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:21 AM

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Who determines which Federal retirees get a 5.8%
increase?

Is it based on grade level at time of retirement?

Agency who was employer?

what, exactly?

Re: who determines which retirees get 5.8% increase

s
FAA
Mon Nov 3, 2008 2:04 PM
The law dtermines the increase. Social Security and CSRS retirees receive the increase in the Consumer Price Index (CPI) as messured from the 3rd quater of the year vs the 3rd quater of the previous year.
FERS retirees receive 1% less than the CPI, and then only if they are 62 years of age or older.

Congress pay capped too at $149,000

Computer Specialist
Census
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:27 AM

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Just a question?

NSPS?

HR Specialist - former Retirement counselor
Navy
Mon Nov 3, 2008 9:32 AM

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Your article doesn't address those of us under NSPS, remember we're not under the GS schedule any longer. After our first year under NSPS the $$ allocated for the increase is dumped into the "paypool" to be divided up among those who are deemed to be worthy of getting an increase or cash award. The remainder of us may get a token increase that won't even begin to cover the increase in health care premium costs not to mention the other costs within the health care system that are increasing two fold...The only portion of the pay increase I can hope to receive is the locality pay...

Re: NSPS?

Diversity Manager
DOL
Mon Nov 3, 2008 3:21 PM
That's the beauty of NSPS performers are recognized and those who just come to work loose out. Its what America is based on!!!

Re: NSPS?

Worker
DoD
Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:14 PM
Diversity Manager
DOL

You made a joke, right? If not, you should become famaliar with how NSPS is actually working.

Re: NSPS?

Diversity Manager
DOL
Mon Nov 3, 2008 7:18 PM
its performing as advertised, for some its been a let down. The reason is for the 1st time in your careers you are getting an honest appraisal not the inflated 1 that CS have come to expect.
Resulting in the cream rising and the dead weights sinking to the bottom

Re: NSPS?

Worker
DoD
Tue Nov 4, 2008 8:08 AM
So this is the first honest appraisal I've ever received, huh? Wow, I must have been doing something wrong before because my last NSPS appraisal indicated I did great while personally I felt I didn't do very well compared to years past.

The problem with NSPS is there are too many external factors, some of which are strictly subjective, that influence the overall payout and type of distribution. As I said earlier, you may want to become famaliar with NSPS and other P4P programs. Then you may be able to evaluate the system as it exists within the Government.

Re: NSPS?

Diversity Manager
DOL
Tue Nov 4, 2008 1:33 PM
as the chaff begins to exit DOD due to their perceived loss in pay you'll be happy for NSPS unless of course you are the chaff then you need to move on. But stay in the Fed sector because you'll starve in the private sector

Re: NSPS?

Locutus
Borg
Wed Nov 5, 2008 9:13 AM
Diversity Manager, wait until NSPS hits DOL. You'll be the first chaff out the door.

Spread the Wealth Around

Tomato Grower
Oaklandon Road
Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:02 AM

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Increased health care premiums can be moderated by taking the 8% BCBS premium increase, for example, and applying it in this manner:

Feds making less than 35K per year have their premiums reduced by 1%. Feds making 35-55K premium increase of 2.5%. Feds making 55-65K premium increase of 6%. Feds making 65-75 premium increase of 8%. Feds making 75-90K premium increase of 9%. Feds making 90-105K premium increase of 12%. Feds making 105-120K premium increase of 14%. Feds making 120-140K premium increase of 16%. Feds making over 140K premium increase of 19%.

Re: Spread the Wealth Around

Program Analyst
USAG
Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:36 AM
I’m sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you totally. Those who work hard and move up shouldn’t be penalized by requiring them to pay higher premiums. I would suggest that a better idea is to charge higher premiums based on the number of dependents. A couple with no dependent children shouldn’t have to pay the same rate as someone with kids. And, a person with one child shouldn’t have to pay the same as someone with two or more kids.

Re: Spread the Wealth Around

Aircraft Modifications Manager
USAF
Mon Nov 3, 2008 11:58 AM
Things should cost what they cost dispite your circumstance. Most people get in their life situations pretty much based on their comfort level. Genereally, if your not comfortable with your situation, you put some effort into correcting what it is that makes you unfortable, like... no money, get a job... not able to qualify for getting higher paying job, go get qualifications (like education) or cut back on reasons for needing more money (like switch to basketball from skying as a weekend hobbey or stop having kids). Just because you haven't managed to do what it is you need to do to get a higher paying job, it doesn't mean that people who make more than you should have to subsidize your lifestyle!

Re: Spread the Wealth Around

accountant, retired
DOE, Albuquerque
Mon Nov 3, 2008 2:21 PM
Maybe we should use other criteria like age (older people use more medical); Weight(Fattys pay more), smokers, People who dont excercise, People who are single die yonger. Maybe we should base it on sex frequency. People who have sex are healthier. We can start the federal beaureau of sex frequency Investigations (FBSFI) THE LIST IS ENDLESS. EQUITY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER

Re: Spread the Wealth Around

Transportation Industry Analyst
DOT
Tue Nov 4, 2008 10:30 AM
Why do federal employees have to remain in the BCBS plan? There are usually at least ten plans available in most large urban areas. I've been a fed for three years and have never had BCBS. I always stay in network and have found other insurance can signficantly lower my total costs (considering the premium and out of pocket costs not covered by insurance).

Pay Cap Unfair

Manager
State
Mon Nov 3, 2008 11:36 AM

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Agree 100% with this article. As a pay-capped fed, I hope the new administration will provide some leadership and justice on this important issue for more than 7,000 federal employees, and significantly raise the cap to at least equal the amount of the annual pay raise. Or better yet, get rid of the cap altogether!

Re: Pay Cap Unfair

Retired
Retired
Mon Nov 3, 2008 1:42 PM
As a "pay capped" employee, you aren't going to do well at all if the socialists take over as the polls predict. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” will be the law of the land and you will have the honor of giving your money to the greater good of the masses.

But, don't worry, health care will be free, education costs will be free, mortgages will be guaranteed to everyone, and we'll all live on Big Rock Candy Mountain after the CHANGE to socialism.

Re: Pay Cap Unfair

Program Analyst
OPM
Mon Nov 3, 2008 4:01 PM
To Retired/ Retirted. Get a Life - Socialism after the elections?- how about the fact that the banks and mortgage companies have just been as close to nationalized as they ever have been in the past. And now Wall Street wants and needs a bailout.

If I can pay even 10% more in taxes and have my grandkids get a decent education and decent healthcare - then have at it. - But socialism? I think you should take the blinders off.

Re: Pay Cap Unfair

Retired
Retired
Wed Nov 5, 2008 8:27 PM
“Program Analyst”, you have to look deeper than an SNL skit to see the truth. You have to do more than parrot vague generalities and lace your words with insults if you wish to have a rational discussion. What you fail to grasp is that the financial crisis has it’s roots in the Carter administration. That’s when government officials, egged on by leftists, began accusing mortgage lenders of racism because blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than whites. It went into high gear under Clinton. Then Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charles Rangle, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and Melvin Watt fought against proposed reform.

Study the Community Reinvestment Act, which is the Genesis of the crisis. Study the Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005 that could have saved us. Study who voted for and against it. Study the relationship between Jim Johnson and Barry Obama. After you educate yourself, come back and tell me just what my “blinders” keep me from seeing.

Stop Whining!!

Admin
Forest Service
Mon Nov 3, 2008 1:23 PM

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I know you managers and all the big dogs have lots of responsibilities and so on, but making $149K and above is a lot of money. I'm a GS-6 making barely $35k and I'm doing fine. Just stop eating out too much and spend less. You don't hear me whining. If you are unhappy then quit and go for work for the private section. You should be glad that you have a stable job living in a great country especially in a time like this. Us Americans all we do is whine and whine, never seem to be satisfied. Always taking things for granted. Imaging ourselves living in a 3rd world country,
where you don't even have a job. So shut up already!!!

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