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Faster Promotions Coming for Some Federal Employees

Would be nice if we were on the GS pay band.

STSO
TSA
Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:13 PM

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Of course this would relate to the TSA payband system since we are on the SV system

TIG

Civilian
Fed Govt
Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:41 PM

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Wow, try to do something good and Federal employees still rant. I just don't get it!

Re: TIG

Joe the Bureaucrat
OPM
Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:44 PM
I'm not sure I follow your comment. Who has been ranting? And why is this change, if it goes thru, necessarily something good? You have to understand the entire ramifications of this change. It does not mean that every Tom, Dick and Harry will now get an automatic promotion that they wouldn't have been eligible for.

Re: TIG

Civilian
Fed Govt
Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:47 AM
Joe, guess you need to read all the negative comments concerning "favoritism, good-ole-boy" etc. That's why I referred to the ranting. And it is something good. There are employees who have the experience/education that would qualify them for a higher grade, but have been held back due to the TIG restriction. If you were in that category, you would certainly think it's a good thing. And no, it's not automatic. Your supervisor would have to declare that you are qualified.

Re: TIG

Accountant
Fed Agency
Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:32 AM
Civilian.....what about the flip side when people are promoted just because they are in a "career ladder" position? I think a "mass" re-training of federal managers needs to occur. At my agency we have people at the GS-14 level who appearingly can't even walk and chew gum at the same time. It is truly a mistery how these people made it to that level. The GS schedule needs to be discarded. People should not be rewarded based on the number of years they have showed up to their office, rather what they have done in the way of job performance!

Re: TIG

Civilian
Fed Govt
Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:22 AM
Accountant, that's what NSPS was trying to do--eliminate pay increases simply for staying on the job and look at the response that has received. There are those that will always look at everything with a glass-half-full frame of mind. You can't please everyone all the time. By the way, under NSPS the TIG rule went away, so it now being eliminated under the GS system is not something new and Federal wage system (WG, etc.) employees never had it. The key to remember is that the employee still has to meet the qualification requirements of the level of the position in order to be promoted.

GRADE LEVELS

HR SPECIALIST
DOE
Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:13 PM

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OPM's obervation regarding the low probability of grade creep is pure BS. OPM does not enforce the classification system and consequently agencies are over grading their positions anywhere from two to five grades. OPM should look at the Dept. of Energy to see what happens when it does not enforce the classification standards. DOE employees are grossly overpaid and represent the epitome of incompetence.

Promotion

Legal Instruments Examiner
U.S. FDA
Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:24 PM

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As an employee of this agency for almost 22 years and doing the job of a GS-13 since I started and with the promotion of a GS-09 since 1993 and not getting a higher grade than this one. This is ridiculous because I have the experience but not the education and this has been the biggest problem for my promotion I think this will be good for those people who do not have the education but have the experience.

3 YEAR WAIT BETWEEN LATTER STEPS

Secretary (Office Automation)
HUD
Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:49 PM

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well, you should also have an immediate rule changer for those having no chance of promotion due to location as this obstruction to step increase is worse that any cost of living expense and constitutes 3 steps backward, especially in this economy. it's been backwards for years and it needs corrected now and not another 100 yrs. down the road.

Re: 3 YEAR WAIT BETWEEN LATTER STEPS

Prof
Small College
Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:34 PM
For those of you that cannot get promoted (no fault of yours of course) upgrade your skills, apply for other disciplines and look at other Agencies. I see no reason for a GS-05 position to not remain a GS-05 position unless higher grade duties are added. Why would a manager want to upgrade a GS-05 position if the duties are the same?

Ask for a Desk Audit. There is a possibility the grad may be lowered. Be careful for what you pray for.

Re: 3 YEAR WAIT BETWEEN LATTER STEPS

Nameless, Faceless Nobody
DOD
Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:14 AM
Prof,

I had to change organizations to get promoted past GS-5. Everyone I worked for, with, or served, agreed that I was doing more, and doing it better, than most of the 7's. My wide experience was lost to the command, I lost a job that I loved to do flunky work that paid better, and no-one is really happy.

Perhaps the requiring a degree for jobs that a half-way intelligent high-school grad is quite able to learn is part of the problem. I am well able to read, interpret, and apply the 6 CFRs I have used over the last few years. Until this flunky job that pays more, I would train, support, and keep out of jail, the degreed supervisors that came and went.

We get these interns right out of college, spend 2 years giving them classes, they want more money and leave. Well, I am not allowed to take the same classes as I don't already have a degree. Let me take those classes and use them to help qualify me for the job!

Re: 3 YEAR WAIT BETWEEN LATTER STEPS

Nameless, Faceless Nobody
DOD
Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:15 AM
Prof,

I had to change organizations to get promoted past GS-5. Everyone I worked for, with, or served, agreed that I was doing more, and doing it better, than most of the 7's. My wide experience was lost to the command, I lost a job that I loved to do flunky work that paid better, and no-one is really happy.

Perhaps the requiring a degree for jobs that a half-way intelligent high-school grad is quite able to learn is part of the problem. I am well able to read, interpret, and apply the 6 CFRs I have used over the last few years. Until this flunky job that pays more, I would train, support, and keep out of jail, the degreed supervisors that came and went.

We get these interns right out of college, spend 2 years giving them classes, they want more money and leave. Well, I am not allowed to take the same classes as I don't already have a degree. Let me take those classes and use them to help qualify me for the job!

FAVORITISM/NEPOTISM FOR PROMOTIONS

ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER (AOD)
VETERANS AFFAIRS
Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:44 AM

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22+ years off tour facility representation, zero
hours unscheduled sick leave usage, without
questionable performance issues, best qualified
for promotion vacancies but can't obtain one;
ridiculous isn't it. if the games aren't played
opportunity to advance don't exist. whole system needs revamped to clean out the managerial deadwood; its too large.

Faster Promotion Decisions for Federal Employees

Property Industrial Specialist
Marine Corp Community Services
Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:58 AM

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I hope this really goes forward. I have tried to get prom oted by even re-doing my Resume and having my union trying to help me but nothing happen and the union did not have enough money to go to Arbitration.

Re: Faster Promotion Decisions for Federal Employees

Diversity Manager
DOL
Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:23 PM
did you try working harder and showing some creativity, i realize you have a job for life but how about some effort?/
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