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Those Pesky Background Checks Can Lead to Removal

Those Pesky Background Checks Can Lead to Removal

HR Specialist
DoD
Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:49 AM

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I used to work for the IRS. Although I did not have access to or deal directly with the taxpaypers or their personal information, all IRS employees are subject to UNAX (Unauthorized Access) rules and have to be annually recertified. This RO was terminated for this violation at the State level. Who is to say this would not occur in the future where access is not just at the local State level, but to all US taxpayers globally. Other IRS employees have been terminated for inappropriate access to taxpayper information. If you are not assisting the taxpayper, you should not be accessing the account.

Procedural Question

Supv HR Specialist
DOC
Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:58 AM

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This doesn't make sense. An actual removal of someone with appeal rights should get the opportunity to reply, however, if she was on a probationary period she shouldn't have had any opportunity to reply. Am I missing something here?

Re: Procedural Question

Analyst
DOD
Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:32 PM
If you are still an "on probation" employee you have no appeal rights.

Re: Procedural Question

Old Fed
DoD
Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:22 AM
If a probationary employee is terminated for pre-employment reasons, they are entiled to a eritten proposal, and oportunity to respond and a written decison. If these three things occured, then MSPB will not set aside the action. In other words they only look for procedural compliance, not the merits of the action.

Re: Procedural Question

Analyst
GSA
Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:40 AM
Had this person disclosed the incident on the background questionnaire they might have had a chance to prevail. However, having concealed the information they made it an easy call for the IRS.

Backgrounf Check

Diversity Manager
DOL
Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:10 PM

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How much time did the person need?? This wasn't a charge that came out of the blue, what hootsba to even apply for another job dealing with income taxes.
Bet they didn't disclose the prior termination

Re: Backgrounf Check

Friendly Fed
Army
Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:13 AM
"hootsba"? Or is that "chutzpah"? what a "hoot"! Way to go, Diversity Mgr

Those Pesky Background Checks Can Lead to Removal

research Engineer
DOD
Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:36 AM

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This seems very unfair the employee had been "been disciplined for "inappropriately accessing" tax information. (Opinion p. 2)". This was past problem it should assumed the employee learned from past problem and now knew better now. I know this is a very serious issue in the IRS, and I agree it should be, but once the problem is discovered and in case the employee disciplined by a the state in which it happen, forget it an move on. We all make mistake and once the we pay the price for those mistakes we should be able to move forward.

Re: Those Pesky Background Checks Can Lead to Removal

Analyst
DOD
Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:31 PM
For the research Engineer DOD, I think your story would change a tad if it were your tax records the employee was accessing.

Re: Those Pesky Background Checks Can Lead to Removal

ER Spc
IRS
Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:54 PM
How would your average taxpayer react upon hearing that the IRS hires people who have accessed tax information without authorization? Not well. Sometimes you just can't get away from your past, and that's no one's fault but your own.

Don't you find it curious that this woman was trying to get back into the same line of work? Have to wonder what her real plans were...

Re: Those Pesky Background Checks Can Lead to Removal

research Engineer
DOD
Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:09 PM
To the IRS ER Spc

I guess I am one those idiots who believe people live and learn and maybe sometime share those painful learning experiences with others and prevent others from making the same mistakes. I really hate to think the worst of people and would not want believe this person was trying to get a job to repeat the illegal actions. So I will remain in engineering and let others do HR. You know I work in a profession where failure has been a great and sometimes painful teacher so maybe I have bias towards things people learn form failures and how the problems that cause failures can fixed and the same mistakes hopefully not repeated, but those are physical systems failures not human behavior failures.

Re: Those Pesky Background Checks Can Lead to Removal

Diversity Manager
DOL
Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:31 PM
Good hire her as a baby sitter for your kids. It amazes me that those with no skin in the game are willing to overlook the issue

Re: Those Pesky Background Checks Can Lead to Removal

op supe
faa
Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:28 AM
Research engineer: Remember Willie Horton? Find Gov. Dukakis and ask him how THAT worked out. Stop the hand-wringing.
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