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Returning Veterans Seeking Employment: When the Trickle Turns Into a Flood

Civilian Non-Vets, Get Ready...

Fed
DoD
Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:39 AM

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nobody's getting promoted for a long, long time--assuming that RIFs don't push us out the door first...

Re: Civilian Non-Vets, Get Ready...

Analyst
DOA
Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:56 AM
Promotions here are on the rise, it's business as usual.

Re: Civilian Non-Vets, Get Ready...

Aerospace Engineer
DoD
Thu Jan 1, 2009 8:35 AM
Under NSPS, nobody wants to get "promoted" anyway. Engineering Directorate is advertising Chief Engineer positions and can't figure out why nobody is applying for them. Let's see, I was a GS-12 but now I'm a YD-2, as is everybody else on the GS-12 to -14 level.

Why would anybody step into a position that has a greatly-increased level of responsibility, a lot more hours that you don't get paid for, and a GS-15 or Colonel that calls you in the middle of the night when something goes wrong, for maybe a 3% raise?

Civilian Non-Vets, Get Ready...

GOV WORKER
DoD
Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:51 AM

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That's not even possible the way the Gov goes out of it's way to avoid Vets by Civilian Non-Vets.

Re: Civilian Non-Vets, Get Ready...

HR
VA
Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:14 AM
Did you even bother to read the article.

"The federal government already employs far more veterans, as a percentage of all employees, than does the civilian labor force (CLF). As noted in the aforementioned OPM Report to Congress on the employment of veterans, the percentages and comparisons as of FY-2006 were as follows:

– Veterans as percentage of all employees – 25.4% (versus 8.9 % in CLF)
– Disabled Veterans as percentage of all employees – 5.4% (versus 0.8% in CLF)
– 30% or More Disabled Veterans as percentage of all employees – 2.9% (versus 0.3% in CLF)"

For our particular office we are 56% veteran.

Re: Civilian Non-Vets, Get Ready...

Retired
DoD
Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:53 PM
Do not kid yourself that the higher percentage of veterans working for the government is in any large part due to kindness or preference. More government jobs are similar to military jobs than other areas. The retirement benefits are carried over into civil service. The government's discrimination against veterans takes many forms. It mostly comes from individual supervisors who are unchecked in their discriminatory practices. The long standing practice of cheating Reserve and National Guard soldiers out of their military leave time when it fell over a weekend is one example of institutional discrimination that went on for years until finally stopped by the courts. Even after the courts stopped it, the government just couldn't seem to figure out how to repay the soldiers for their lost leave unless the soldier had maintained all of the associated records.

Re: Civilian Non-Vets, Get Ready...

Prof
Small College
Fri Jan 2, 2009 6:38 PM
One hundred percent of the non-veterans employed by the federal government do not have any federal service.

Returning Veterans

IT Specialist
Census Bureau
Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:53 AM

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Bring them on. There's always room for a veteran in the government. Thanks for serving your country and putting your life on the line.

What a terrible homecoming

Nameless, Faceless Nobody
DOD
Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:20 AM

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I weep for what is to come. When we bring home our warriors they will find a decimated economy. The reservists and guardsmen left jobs and businesses that won't be there when they come back. When they try to get a fed job, many will find that they don't get the same job opportunity that the regulars get. The regulars will find that the opportunity is a lot slimmer than they were led to believe. Those already with jobs will rightly not want to lose them to a vet coming in. Is anyone thinking about and planning for this time?

category rating

supervisor
hhs
Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:24 AM

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On its face, category rating is just another way to circumvent hiring qualified veterans. This is a practice that is accomplished every day by non-veteran hiring authorities violating current laws to reach favorites, so why is a new method needed? Veterans earned and deserve preference for hiring in all federal jobs (not just the low paying ones), the majority of the federal work force will allways be non-veterans trying to impose their will for personal gain. It is really shameful, when you think about it and consider that most of these hirings result in "lifetime" appointments -- veteran or not.

SPECIAL THANK YOU: VETS

Federal Civil Service
U.S. Army Human Rescources Command
Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:16 AM

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It seems today we forget those who gave so much for us. I beleive today those who really understand the sacrifice made are other vets. It is sad to say we have forgotton or take for granted their sacrifices.

So I would like to take this time to say a special thank you all those that serve.

Veteran rights

TSgt
USAF
Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:05 PM

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Those who diminish the rights of a veteran will find their own rights diminished in return, for we are the keepers of the constitution and thus all rights granted to every citizen.

Food for thought

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