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VA Facility
DOL
Tue Feb 3, 2009 9:22 PM
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Great news a work out area/gym that was set aside for STAFF???? My question would be why wasn't the director of the facility removed for misappropriation of federal funds?/
Sounds like a typical VA scenario Vets come last
Re: VA Facility
DOD
Wed Feb 4, 2009 8:00 AM
Re: VA Facility
ICE
Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:17 AM
Many agencies have also implemented Health Improvement Plans to assist employees in becoming and remaining healthy.
Will you begrudge us every benefit?
Some folks are just being spiteful.
Re: VA Facility
Defense Agency
Wed Feb 4, 2009 4:10 PM
I don’t know much about the funds appropriated to the VA; however, a misappropriation of funds typically results from a violation of the time, purpose, and/or the amount. I am not sure how a staff only gym violates any or either of these unless the funds used to purchase or maintain the equipment were for a different purpose. As an example, a misappropriation would occur if the VA were given funds construct a building or perform research and it was used to purchase a major piece of equipment.
If a misappropriation occurs, it is a violation of the law……You won’t just be fired; you may find yourself sharing a cell with Lewis “Scooter” Libby
Re: VA Facility
DOL
Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:12 PM
If Feds need a gym let them do what everyone else does buy a health club membership. There is no requirement for VA staff to be in shape, unlike the military and some law enforcement agencies. So if not a job requirement then it should be on your nickle.
If you read what was published its easy to see that the employee was trying to allow the vet to use the gym and "staff" didn't want their facility used by a vet
Re: VA Facility
Defense Agency
Thu Feb 5, 2009 8:38 AM
1.) An officer only Gym in the back of the pentagon
2.) Officer only latrines in the field and many building,
3.) Officer only lines at the commissary during lunch,
4.) Reserved spots for the Generals in front of the commissary typically used by their wives
5.) VIP rooms in Army Hospitals
This type of activity is not consistent with the mission of the DOD but no different than having a staff only time in a workout room of the gym. You point is well taken; however, your indignation is misdirected at the CS. The Manager of the facility, usually an SES or Political Appointee, made the decision to have a staff only gym. The decision was a legal, but stupid, decision. The peon CS supervisor does not have typically have the authority to make such decisions, but took an oath to carry them carry out.
Kudos to the supervisor in this case
U.S. Treasury
Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:42 AM
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It sounds like the "Supervisor" did a great job by documenting prior incidents which in turn supported the final removial action. {and Bruce had a history of similar misconduct that had resulted in separate prior disciplinary actions for using disrespectful language and making inappropriate statements. (p. 3)}
The Supervisor doing what was needed allowed the punishment to fit the "behavior" Kudos to the Supervisor in this case.
Re: Kudos to the supervisor in this case
Treasury
Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:26 AM
Re: Kudos to the supervisor in this case
employee
Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:44 AM
And why do the vast majority of HR people seem to be totally anti-employee?
Supervisors are not perfect in everything they do.
Kudos
USAF
Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:53 AM
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Kudos to the supervisor and agency for taking what sounds like the appropriate action in this case. Not to say every action supervisors or mgt take is right. But, too many times, supervisors and mgt elect not to do the right thing, either because of the time involved or to avoid litigation, and it affects the morale of the employees who come to work and don't complain or disrupt the workplace. I"m sure there is a prospective employee out there eager for the vacant Federal job.
Stupid is as stupid does.
OPM
Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:39 AM
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Enough said.
Fake Whistle Blower
DoD
Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:40 AM
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Once again we see an employee whose actions merit removal use the whistle blower defense to attempt to justify her/his conduct and actions. It is persons like this employee who make it difficult for real whistle blowers to effectively use this defense. Fake whistle blowers have become so common place that all such claims are now looked at with a jaundice eye. Hopefully, the VA did look into why a workout room is being set aside for the staff. If setting aside this room impacted patient care then the practice should stop immediately.
Fired Fed
VA
Wed Feb 4, 2009 11:26 AM
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The vets aren't first, employee rights are nill & misappropriation of funds is the norm in VA. As a rep, I've had a few cases like this. I've rarely seen MSPB rule on the employee's side in this type matter. The supv. & the clerk had personality conflicts. The clerk filed a griev. The supv. then began to secretly have other clerks watch her for mos & write reports of contact about her "behavior w/pats". The clerk didn't know she was being written up for joking w/ pats, giving them instruction on where to go (the report said she yelled @ the pt, but after union investigated, found he was hard of hearing). Her comments taken out of context as if she had disrespected pts. She wasn't allowed to confront or know the people who wrote the reports. The suprv presented most of the evidence to mangmt as her own account. The clerk was not allowed to present statements from the pts., that mangt. said she offended & MSPB felt none of this evidence was valid when the case came up for decision.
Re: Fired Fed
ICE
Wed Feb 4, 2009 1:15 PM
Sorry, but these employees need to be "former" employees.
respect a two way street!
VA
Wed Feb 4, 2009 1:34 PM
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In this case I agree with supervisor. Working in a VA, many of the program managers are disrespecful and rude to staff and vets. respect is a two way street. i saw a program manager ignore for months a employee late a hour or two at least 5 times a pay period, sometimes never show up for their shift. Her excuse I overslept! Nothing is done but she gets promoted! You see some amazing things in a VA.
Re: respect a two way street!
DOL
Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:16 PM
Re: respect a two way street!
Small College
Fri Feb 6, 2009 5:09 AM
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VA
Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:02 AM
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FAA
Fri Feb 6, 2009 10:26 AM
You two are both right, don't you work BOTH at those facilities as a cook and a janitor.