Re: True to form

What???

Re: True to form

You put your finger right on it...FedSmith readers "read," which is the reason they are a lot more in touch with reality than those who don't. Reading is the remedy to ignorance.

Re: Will Stimulus Spending Package Help America

That gift was given by Congress. Please get the facts straight.

Re: Will Stimulus Spending Package Help America

all this spending won't help because;
1. if you buy a flat screen , your bailing out the chinese
2. if you buy a car you bail out the japanese
and korea
3. if you buy heroin you help afganistan.

actually nothing is make in america any more;

so here here is your better idea;
1. get a new tattoo ( made in america)
2. buy some good california marijuana....take a few hits
and it just dosen't seem to be as bad anymore.

Re: Will Stimulus Spending Package Help America

A gift from Bush! Isn't it a little early to re-write the history of 2008? Paulson wrote it and Congress passed a hugely bloated version of what Paulson wrote. Yes Bush signed it and gets some blame for that, but let’s not forget your Messiah ran to Washington to help get it passed!

Re: Stimulus?

For The Quality Manager USAF wrote this:
"that The government should stay out of private business. Everything they (the government) gets involved in goes broke - look at social security/medicare. I say we fire them all and start over." My question to you is how can you work for the USAF and think thoughts like you just wrote?????

Re: Stimulus?

Freedom of Speech gives him the right. Our Government has failed us. This economic crisis can be laid at the Governments feet and that includes both Demorats and Republicans. Since when does working for the Government mean you have to blindly follow our elected leaders? My oath was to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Not blindly follow idiots over a cliff.

Re: where is the money coming from???

WHERE HAS SPENDING WORKED? WWII ended the war. The gov spent 25% of GDP and it worked. The new deal never spent more than 1% of gdp with a 30% downturn in the economy. From 1932 to 1936 unemployment was reduced from 25% to 10%. Then in 1936 the republicans insisted on a balanced budget. Roosevelt did it. Unemployment went to 25% in 1937. THERE. YOU ASKED. FOX has been ling about this for weeks but these are the facts.

Re: where is the money coming from???

WWII ended the depression because the Private Sector was pulled back into the equation. Even FDRs economic advisors admitted that they couldn't pull the private sector back into the market until WWII created a manufacturing demand. Even with all the Government spending int the 30s, the markets remained stagnant. We are even is worse shape now because there is not significant manufacturing to get the market moving again. Government spending on public works projects will help with unemployment some, but it will not get the market jump started. Public works projects don't create long term investment and reinvestment in the market place. Building a school or waterpark is nice, but it will not get the market going. This is not sustainable.

Re: where is the money coming from???

Rather like infrastructure spending? LOL. There should/ will be more but they have to be at a "shovel Ready" state. Even if this works the Republicans would never admit it. It's part of not wanting/recognizing the need for change conservative philosophy. Actually the Republican party is not conservative. It's reactionary at this point. What is reactionaryism in America. National Socialism with down played racism.

Re: where is the money coming from???

Shovel Ready... I am sure the construction industry can't wait to hire all those bankers , accountants, and brookers to teach them how to finish concrete and smooth out asphalt. :-)))

Re: where is the money coming from???

remembering that the "responsibility" for giving scare speeches was perfected by the last administration

Re: Stimulus Spending

Area Specialist...your points are accurate and easy to understand...for people who seek the truth and understanding. But I'm afraid you're wasting your time trying to convince those who love blaming Bush. They seem so full of hate and venom, they'll never listen to reason when the facts (and facts are what you have presented) are found and exposed.

Re: Stimulus Spending

Area specialist, In no way did Bush try to regulate anything, other than trying to destroy federal unions. I do agree that the Dems played their part as well, but do NOT excuse Bush. Ops Supe FAA, explain the truth of why you keep getting pay raises and the Controllers do not. Please share the FACTs with us, I am dying to know youre insight. I here something called the green book is coming back

Re: Stimulus Spending

Wow... Someone on here CAN see through to the truth...

Re: Stimulus Spending

Democrats blocked efforts to fix Fannie and Freddie. That is a fact. Bush could have gone to the American people and explain the situation and maybe it would have been fixed. However, the Democrats would have accused him of Racism and Discrimination against minorities if he had done so. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were already plaing the race card when the hearings were taking place in 2005. Failure of Government has lead us to where we are and now we want them to spend trillions of dollars to fix something they broke. We should all sleep better at night.

Re: Stimulus Spending

Area Specialist, I 1000% agree with you. Just on the housing issue, greedy lenders allowed no doc loans up to 50% total debt so if an applicant had no debt then the housing costs could be 50% of gross income and alot of folks had horrible credit - collections, judgements, liens, etc. So many think home ownership is a right, it is NOT a right but a priviledge that must be earned by keeping credit clean, job stability etc. (decent safe Shelter is a right and everyone should have a safe home to be in) Talk about a horrible situation. Alot of the brokers are out of business now and many lenders have shaped up. Throwing good money after bad is not a good thing.
Get the budget passed so we can do our jobs....

Re: Stimulus Spending

Fannie may etc never initiated one loan. They bought loans from the private sector AS REQUIRED BY REPUBLICAN LAW and they never exceed 20% of the market prior to 07. Now they buy close to 80% of loans made since the private sector imploded. If they didn't exist, the housing market would be even worse at around 30% of current activity.

Re: Stimulus Spending

Diversity man, I apologize. I didn't realize my ever increasing salary caused the U.S. economy to collapse. As to why it continues to climb, you're asking the wrong person. I'm just the recipient. What should I do? Send the salary increases to you? Give me your address and go stand by your mailbox.

As for the Green Book....who knows what's going to happen? That won't affect me one bit. My job will continue (as well as the raises) and if we choose to enforce what's in the Green Book, controllers might want to return to where we are now.

Re: Stimulus Spending

I cannot believe that this entire country is so divided. Right vs Left, conservatives vs liberals. We are all in this mess together as Americans and we need to correct it for America. Both parties are to blame, Frank and Dodd have bee dispectible as well as President Bush. Oh yeah the Republicans are now screaming we warned you and tried to stop it in 2005. Exactly how did you try to stop it? Did you introduce a bill to regulate the mortgage industry? Did you try to control the deriviate and hedge fund markets? Did you try to regulate Fannie & Freddie? Hell no, no one did Republican or Democrat. In 2005, the White House, Senate & House were all controlled by Republicans, so enough blaming the other side. In fact I will defy anyone out there that can cite one (and only one) bill pro-regulation that was EVER submitted by a Republican. You can't cause it doesn't exist. So shut up and be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Re: Stimulus Spending

It's becoming a common mistake to blame the whole mess on subprime mortgages. There are many other factors involved, like the credit card companies running wild (universal default, holding checks until after the due date, etc.), deregulation of banking and other parts of the financial sector, and people drunk on greed.

Re: Stimulus Spending

I myself have never heard more hate and venom then what we have heard in the last 8 years coming from the right side of the aisle. I struggle to remember any real positive communinations coming from them

Re: Stimulus Package survey

I wouldn't be to quick to say it doesn't effect us because we work for the Government.

It isn't over yet. And for the last several years at least in our Agency we have seen a big decline in jobs. I've been with the USFS for about 18 years, I've seen a lot of jobs left unfilled or just done away with.