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President Asks Federal Employees to Sacrifice in 2010: Proposes 2% Pay Raise

Reduce Pay Increase

Computer Specialist
FAA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM

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I would be more than willing to give up all pay raises for 2009 if congress and the president would give up their Tax & Spend policies. The president and his democrat counterparts in congress need to stop giving away our tax money to bail out missmanaged companies and drop their plan to tax those Americans who have been diligent with their income and ran their businesses correctly. If they would do that, I would agree to zero increase in my 2009 wages.

Re: Reduce Pay Increase

Program Analyst II
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:28 PM
It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree.

Re: Reduce Pay Increase

Biologist
HHS
Mon Mar 2, 2009 12:30 PM
Agreed, with one additional but all important stipulation. He must rein in the federal reserve (yes, I know its not answerable to the American people nor their elected representatives), force them turn stop the hemorrhage of easy money and make their M3 money supply figures transparent again. Otherwise hyperinflation will make a $50,000 per annum paycheck will soon feel like $10,000 and dropping.

2% Pay Raise??

Computer Assistant
IRS Treasury Division
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM

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Maybe President Obama and the Congress and Senate could give up some of their huge income and give to the people. and if they would quit their huge spending of the tax payers money, on traveling and expensive dinners and luxury living, then we would not be in this mess, also it was not their funds to take when they dipped into the Social Security funds that the taxpayers have taken out for their future, and now the SS is in trouble.. But we the people have just sat back, and let the government have their way and now we are paying for their mistakes of huge spending of Federal spending. Not to mention the millions of dollars Obama wants to give to the funding of Abortion...

Re: 2% Pay Raise??

Thorn in the Side
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM
When did OBAMA dip into Social Security?

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Diversity Manager
DOL
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM
where do you think 30% of the budget comes from Mars?? SS funds have been used since LBJ when he made them a part of the Unitary budget. Right now SS is owed $54Trillion...

Higher paygrades should receive less

Security Manager
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM

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For FY 2010, I would propose that higher paygrades should receive a lesser pay increase than lower paygrades, for example:

GS-14 to SES: 0%
GS-12 and GS-13: 1%
GS-9 to GS-12: 2%
GS-7 to GS-9: 3%
GS-5 to GS-7: 4%
Below GS-5: 5%

Persons at higher paygrades are generally better financially prepared to absorb the lesser increases, while those at lower paygrades are struggling more with cost increases - especially if they are (or were) working multiple jobs to survive.

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Analyst
IRS
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:08 AM
I couldn't agree more! The administration has to stop thinking of federal employees across the board. There are GS4's, 5's, 6's and so on trying to make a living and care for their families. I agree upper grades would certainly survive but below a grade 10 with a family to care for, a mortgage to pay, car payments, daily living expenses, and food on the table. A 2% raise will most certainly go straight to FEBH, which goes up year after year after year.....these folks would take home less in 2010 then they do now.

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Woods Mama
Trees R Us
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:51 AM
Excellent Idea! We'll do this for several years until all salaries are equal no matter what job that you do and no matter what responsibilities you have.

The person responsible for making decisions that determine the lives of others during a prison uprising, forest fire, national or military disaster, should make the same as the new trainee just learning where the supply closet is and how to answer the phone and log on to their computer!

Oh Wait! That would be..........

There are different job descriptions, responsibilities and the associated pay earned in all jobs, public and private.

Think about it. The more valuable the employee the more salary they will command. At least, that's they way it should be.

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Thorn in the Side
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:39 PM
Good idea.

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Analyst
USDA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:20 PM
So let me get this right...I was a single mom raising three daughters on a GS-3 salary, and receiving no child support. Obama wasn't there to help me pay the mortgage or health care. I have worked my way up to a GS-13 and can finally afford to put away some money in the failing TSP for my retirement, but now I am to be punished because of the filthy rich theives on wall street and the people making $7.00 an hour and signing their name on a $400,000 house because in 1999 Clinton told Fanny Mae and Mac to make homes available to those who couldn't afford home. Yeah, you're right, I only deserve the measly 2%.

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Claims Rep
SSA
Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:55 PM
It is called redistribution of wealth. Take from those who have and give to those who have not.

It is also called socialism. The idea that all should be awarded equally, even if they don't perform or achieve equally.

It is also called a disincentive. People who suggest these things have no clue about human action. They believe that we all act with the best of intentions. They never studied history or psychology or even noticed how the world around them works.

I have a better idea. You keep getting what you EARNED, and richer and higher paid people will keep getting what they EARNED, and you stop trying to take money that other people earned.

(Ya I know, theres a whole bunch of higher paid people who never earn their money. True. And it is also true for my grade and your grade too)

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Management and Program Analyst
DOJ
Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:48 AM
Well, I have to disagree with your assertion that higher grades should receive less. I am sick and tired of being made to feel that I should "apologize" or sacrifice more just because I did all the right things to get where I am today. I am a single parent with a child and I work darn hard for my career/money. I went to college and obtained a degree and then while beginning work with the federal government, I went back to school to obtain my MBA. I became a SME in my area of expertise very early on while others just "plodded" along. I continued to take on higher levels of responsibility to groom myself for higher level positions which I competed for, landed, and excelled at. I moved geographically and took positions in other agencies. I had even less opportunities than others out there but I made sacrifices early on. Because of payouts to those who didn't pay taxes, I continue to sacrifice - I didn't get that Bush Stimulus check. I'm not the one getting all the hand-outs!

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Supervisor
DoD
Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:05 AM
Punish people for achieving a higher grade (and responsibility)? We can handle it better? Shoplifters justify their behavior by stating the companies are rich ... they can handle it.

Gotta love those unions

HR Specialist
Small Agency
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM

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So, let me get this straight. If it's a republican president suggesting that Feds get a smaller raise than usual and that the military get a bigger raise than Feds, the unions cry and howl and yell about the abuse, mistreatment, and downright disrespect Feds receive. But if it's a democratic president suggesting the same thing, then it's about belt tightening and doing our part to help. The hypocracy is so blatant, yet not a suprise. There is no better sign that the unions are a politically driven entity in the hip pocket of the democratic party.

And I know, the argument will be that it is the repub pres who got us into this and the dem is just trying to do what he can to get us out. But sorry, that doesn't justify the holier than thou attitude the unions have taken over the past 8 years to turn around so quickly and get on board. I for one believe we should get a smaller pay raise. But I've believed that for quite some time, not just when it was politically lucrative.

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Thorn in the Side
DOD
Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:42 PM
If Bush had asked something like that, would it have been tvalid? Or would the real reason for the "sacrifice" have been to put more money in the pockets of AIG, KBR et al?

Re: Gotta love those unions

Member
Small Agency
Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:38 PM
You need to broaden your sources from which you get your news...FedSmith purposely misrepresents union views all the time. Here are excepts from the NTEU National President's press release yesterday:

The President recommends a 2 percent pay raise for federal employees and a 2.9 percent raise for military personnel. I'm disappointed that this does not reflect the longstanding principle of pay parity between federal employees and the military, I intend meet with the administration to discuss the issue. I am interested to know what went into the analysis and why the civilian recommendation especially, came out at 2 percent.

We understand that these are tough times. However, I want to start a broader discussion with the administration on issues thatl impact federal employees. The FEPCA has never has never been fully implemented. Had that been done federal employees would not be paid 23 percent less than their private sector counterparts.

2% pay raise

Tech
FAA
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM

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I would be grateful to get a 2% pay raise. I wouldn't even mind having no pay raise for 2010. With unemployment as high as it is, and the economy in such a dire situation it seems like a very small sacrifice to make for the security of having a job with benefits. I would hope that if everyone gives up a little across the board it will add up enough to make up for our past excesses. After all, if our economy fails, we government employees will lose everything, including the retirement we have worked for so many years for. All of our benefits depend on the strength of the government and the nation.

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Analyst
ED
Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:04 AM
I completely agree with you. I am very grateful for any increase considering where we are right now; and this isn't a political statement but a statement of support for a country that has some very real economic challenges right now. I actually applaud President Obama for being courageous enough to say look the private sector has taken a huge cut over the past few months and now (Feds) it's time to make some adjustments yourself.

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Taxpayer
DoL
Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:59 AM
Analyst
ED


The very real economic challenge facing the country is called President Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress.

NSPS

Quality Assurance
NAVY
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:51 AM

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I wouldn't mind only getting 2% if the NSPS was canceled and it was 2% across the board. Under NSPS, supervisors will get 3% and the rest of us will get 1%.

Agree with taxpayer

Taxpayer too
DoI
Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:52 AM

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Taxpayer @8:09 AM

I couldn't agree more. Guess some of those birds have come home to roost. I wonder what "Lockstep" AFGE National President John Gage" makes per year and what his raise will be.

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