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Paid Parental Leave For Federal Employees Moving Forward

Hello, EEO!

Clerk
DOI
Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:10 AM

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As soon as this is implemented, the EEO complaints will begin. It will either have to be abandoned, or extra leave will have to be given to all Federal employees.

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Curious
DOD
Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:18 AM
Why would there be EEO complaints? Because it is not fair that people have children?

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IT Spc
DOI
Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:36 AM
It's not fair to people who don't have children, perhaps due to an inability (ergo, a disability), or to people who are past child-bearing years (ergo, age discrimination).

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IT Spc
DOI
Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:37 AM
It's not fair to people who don't have children, perhaps due to an inability (ergo, a disability), or to people who are past child-bearing years (ergo, age discrimination).

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Attorney Advisor
HHS
Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:33 PM
in order to have an EEO complaint, there must be some sort of discrimination. This is not discriminatory against anyone and has not had any EEO issues in the private sector.

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Fed
Fed
Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:43 PM
Where's the discrimination? I'm not seeing it. It's not sex discrimination since both men and women have kids.

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Clerk
DOI
Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:04 PM
Because the No Fear training states that Fed. employees cannot be subject to discrimination based on parental status. The childless (whether by choice, infertility, whatever the cause) will seize the opportunity to file complaints of discrimination.

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City Letter Carrier
US Postal Service
Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:28 PM
Obviously people dont understand about EEO. There is no EEO here and why should we be trying to find a way to spend more money now.

Re: Hello, EEO!

Clerk
DOI
Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:32 AM
Society changes. In the past it was perfectly legal to give (or deny) based on race, gender, religion, etc. There is no reason to think the childless can't make successfully discrimination cases. It's back to the "No Fear" training: if you can't discriminate based on parental status, that has to include childlessness.

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DOD
DOD
Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:21 PM
Based on the arguments, sick leave is discriminatory to the healthy...I'm filing a complaint today!

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IT PM
DIA
Thu Apr 2, 2009 3:17 PM
This is NOT discrimination. NOTHING IS BEING TAKEN FROM ANYONE. That's like saying that at-work daycare is discrimination because I don't have a child yet and, therefore, can't use it. Or the leave bank is discrimination because I'm not sick and haven't needed it. Or I shouldn't have to pay taxes that go to schools because I don't have children in them. Offering maternity leave to new parents isn't taking away from anyone but it would offer a huge help to new parents who can't put their child in daycare until 6 weeks. How petty to think that people are against this because they don't see the benefit to them. With attitudes like this, I'm ashamed to bring a child into this world.

Paid Parental Leave

Program Analyst
USDA
Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:13 AM

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I've never been of the opinion that childbirth is a reason to be accepted to the Leave Donor Program, so maybe this will free up some of that leave for people who are really sick. I find it unfair that the Paid Parental Leave act specifically excludes people who have to care for a sick relative. Pregnancy is a choice, illness is not. I would think it would be as much or more of a hardship on folks who have to take care of an ill, possibly terminally ill, relative. This is going to open a whole new can of worms.

Leave

Industrial Engineering Technician
DoD
Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:15 AM

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I am sorry, but in the economic situation that we are in, I do not see this as a good move.
Besides from the very begining of working for the government you are given 13 sick days and 13 vacation days a year.
Be a big girl and do what is known as planned parenthood and wait until you have accumulated enough leave to take off your 12 weeks, then start your family.

Post Office

Postmaster
USPS
Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:17 AM

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Its a good program but how it will work? 1. Does it mean, federal employees will have extra 4 weeks off and no deduction of time from either sick or annual leave? 2. Are Postal employees covered or as usaul they are federal when Gov't wants them and an outsider when benefits comes.

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IT Drone
DoD
Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:57 AM
1) No--it means that you still only get the 12 FMLA weeks off as before, but you will get pay during 4 of those weeks.

2) The PO needs to get over themselves. I believe FMLA covers ALL government agencies, no matter what. But, like you said...

I am adding my 2¢--the law as it stands now allows for care of a seriously ill relative, so why change it because it will be paid leave? Again, we are the only modern, industrial country that does NOT provide those benefits to ALL its citizens as a matter of course.

Paid parental leave

Secretary
Homeland Security
Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:20 AM

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I am opposed to this, to take just one group and give them paid leave is not fair. What about instituting where a person can pay so much to have short term disability where they will not lose pay and it counts only against sick leave not annual, once their sick time is used they would get paid under the short term disability? This would include every person who needs to use their sick leave and may need short term disability for 3-4 weeks.
This is a form of discrimination and it is really wrong. Why one group and not another?

Concur

Specialist
Federal
Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:22 AM

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I concur with "clerk" from DOI. Why should this "privilege" only apply to one section of the workforce without consideration for those who have elderly parents to care for or loco parentis relatives who need care? Is this a way of getting employees who have worked most of their lives with the federal government to leave sooner?

Paid Parental Leave

Engineering Data Manager
USAF
Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:23 AM

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When my daughter was born I did not have the leave to cover the 12 weeks I was off. I was forced to borrow money from my Thrift Savings Plan. I have also had three surgery's that has required 4-6 weeks of leave. Most business's in the private sector provide disability insurance that cover's these issues.
In my opinion if a couple makes the decision to have a child, they should have a financial plan for the leave.

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