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"Conscious ignorance" Does Not Protect IRS Employee From Removal

Conscious ignorance Does Not Protect IRS Employe

Project Manager
HUD
Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:57 AM

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The IRS is doing a fine job of dealing with such giant tax-cheats! How about applying the same standards/codes of conduct/ethics to Obama's cabinet?!?! Oh, that would appear to be too partisan. Get a grip!! I am so sick and tired of hearing about ethics training, codes of conduct, etc, that are being applied to the worker-bees but not to the upper echelons!!!

Re: Conscious ignorance Does Not Protect IRS Employe

contact rep
ssa
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:11 AM
I agree with Project Manager. There is a double standard in the Obama regime! How many tax cheats are in his cabinet now? Lots!! I see now that the lowly fed employee gets fired but the big guys in Washington (owing much more and make the laws!) get Cabinet positions. Something is so wrong with this picture and still Obama supporters are so willing to look over this type of action. Wake up America - this is scary stuff!!

Re: Conscious ignorance Does Not Protect IRS Employe

Attorney
DOD
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:25 AM
I second the sentiments and they are unanimously passed.

Re: Conscious ignorance Does Not Protect IRS Employe

Me
The one I work for
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:33 AM
I second this opinion. How on earth can there be any credibility to punishing tax cheats, when the guy who runs the Treasury is a far bigger cheat? And the Democrat party is supposed to be FOR the little guy? Puhleez! Hardly.

All the people who have been fired or penalized for cheating/defaulting/whatever on their taxes should form a coup and demand that either their crimes be forgiven or the political appointees be fired for THEIR very same crimes!

Re: Conscious ignorance Does Not Protect IRS Employe

Worker
Federal government
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:57 AM
I will address this to project manager and the three writers below plus the other 2 writers below them. I will not address this to xfed as he was factual and did not adddress Obama's office.
I assume that all of you were against Obama based on your comments. Therefore, your comments are political and nothing else.
I would like to know whether other agencies hold their employees to the same standard as the IRS does. Can I have an unbiased answer.
Please note that cheating is probably the same as fraud, which is deliberatly deceiving the federal government out of tax money. Was the civil fraud penalty imposed on these cabinet members? Was negligence imposed? Unless you know the answers to those questions, you are just being a political crybaby when you make your accusations.
I believe these politicians allowed some returns, where the statute of limitations was expired, to be examined. They paid the additionalo tax, which they did not have to do. This is not dishonesty.

Re: Conscious ignorance Does Not Protect IRS Employe

Civil Servant
DOD
Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:01 PM
It appears the former IRS employee was properly fired because she was warned of irregularities in a previous audit and did NOT take corrective action.

Presidential Appointees should be aware that they will undergo scrutiny. They shouldn't wait until the last minute to fix it--"they got caught" and are playing catch up. While they may pay all penalties and interest and technically can not be compared to the employee that was fired, the perception remains, and you know, perception is reality.

Looking at this another way, what would they have done if they weren't "caught"? NOTHING.

So these Presidential Appointees failed to be law abiding citizens and should not hold a position of public trust for THOSE reasons, not because they complied after they were "caught" in the vetting process.

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Soil Scientist
USDA
Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:35 AM
So worker... can we then assume that you were FOR Obama the entire time? Sounds like some of your comments are a tad politically motivated also... I mean after all, yeah, we made up the whole thing about Obama's cabinet being tax cheats!

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el tech
noaa
Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:49 PM
Quit rattling your saber, Obama's cabinet dosen't
work for the IRS.

Treasury tax cheat

Project Manager
Corps of Engineers
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:13 AM

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It is interesting that those of us identified as 'federal employees' are held to a different standard than those in executive cabinet positions, their staffs, or anyone in the legislative branch. What are we to make of the fact that the Treasury is now run by a tax cheat?

I guess this is what we can expect from a President that could not even obtain even the most basic of security clearances if he were to apply for a federal job.

Re: Treasury tax cheat

Diversity Manager
EEO
Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:34 PM
Well, to be fair, Mr. Obama did promise change.

I think that everyone should be allowed a "pass" in minor criminal violations. If we held everyone accountable for every single criminal act, who would run the country?

Think about it, folks. We NEED these people running our government or we would get our PAY CHECKS!!

So who do the rules really aplly to?

Resource Manager
DOT
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:15 AM

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I agree with HUD Project Manager. If the IRS is so serious about their employees, why are the Mesiah's cabinet members not held to the same standard? I'm sorry, I forgot that the tax cheat in charge of the bloody organization made a "common oversight" in his previous tax returns. Maybe that is what the IRS employee in this case should have claimed!

Section 1203

o2B XFED
IRS
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:16 AM

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Section 1203 requires IRS employees be held to a higher standard. Everyone in IRS gets that drilled in their head on a regular basis. This lady's defense does not pass the "straight face" test. If the facts in the article are correct, she should have been fired and was.

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Retired District Director
IRS
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:51 AM
Your observation is accurate, but we appointed and confirmed a Treasury Secretary who engaged in wilful tax evasion. Are our President and Senators are too jaded or corrupt to realize their folly?

Re: Section 1203

IRS Agent
IRS
Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:15 AM
I totally agreed with all of the comments. If you work for the IRS, you are held to a higher standard with the logic that we must set the example for the rest of the country as we are the enforcers of the tax system. That is well and fine. If all employees of the IRS are held to this standard, Congress should be held to the same standard. You'll note that I added Congress here as they write the tax law and consequently should be held to the same high standard. There are a number of Congessmen that have violated this concept, some serving prison time, Dan Rostinkowski, Duke Cunningham come to mind. Section 1203 which covers violations that will get you fired, only apply to IRS employees. Why does this provision, written by Congress apply to the entire government? If it did a few members of Congress and the President's cabinet would be missing.

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Attorney
DoD
Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:21 AM
For a retired District Director, you sure play fast and loose with terms like "wilful tax evasion." Do you have the facts to back that up? Did Geithner prepare his own taxes? How are you so sure it was "willful tax evasion" and not merely a mistake by Geithner's tax return preparer? Show me your proof and I'll condemn him. If you don't have proof, shut up.

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Me
The one I work for
Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:47 AM
I agree the employee should have been fired...just like I agree so should Timothy Geithner et al.

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Retired District Director
IRS
Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:46 AM
He was reimbursed by his employer for taxes he claimed he paid but did not. When first caught he paid only what he was forced to pay (not what he actually owed). When questioned he misrepresented his actions and the facts. That is wilful evasion, unless you use a "political" dictionary. IRS employees should be held to high stardards. So should those who manage and regulate them. This case (and others) illustrates the rules do not always apply. That is a sad message. It will have negative long term impact on tax compliance.

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Auditor
Fed Agency
Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:02 AM
Well, Attorney DoD - Treasury Secretary Geithner said he used TurboTax to prepare his own taxes, so I guess a "confession" of self-prepared-taxes should be considered proof. Maybe this lady should send her resume in to Pres. Obama - clearly she has the same inability-to-fill-out-tax-return-abilities as many of his other appointees.

One positive note: President Obama has proven himself a great tax collector - $500,000 in past due taxes, interest, and penalties from his own appointees (and those like Mr. Daschle who dropped out after the vigorous "vetting" process that let him through the gates).

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Executive
Treasury
Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:43 AM
DoD Attorney - Your view is moronic, but like those you defend you lack the integrity to admit it. The nomination and confirmation was disgraceful. So is the failure of elected officials to comply with the law. IRS and other Treasury officials cannot speak out, but they are disgusted. Tax compliance is a function of the honesty of most Americans and confidence in the fairness of enforcement. That confidence is eroding, and the consequences will be felt.

B.O.'s cabinet does not have to obey the law?

Architect
DOD
Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:48 AM

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Incredible. Another example of double standards and uneven application of the rules, if not the law. She got what she deserved... NOW TELL ME, Mr. B.O., why is that the little guys get 20 years in a crowded prison for shoplifting and the big guys either get a cabinet position or get to enrich their families and relatives while they retire in a white-collar prison.

DOUBLE STANDARD. NO JUSTICE EXISTS IN THIS COUNTRY. THE COUNTRY IS NOT ONLY GOING DOWN THE DRAIN BUT I CAN'T EVEN SEE THE WATER ANYMORE. IF YOU HAVE MONEY YOU CAN BUY YOUR WAY, NO PROBLEM (AND WE'LL PRINT SOME MORE WORTHLESS PAPER TO GIVE YOU). OH, LET'S ASK MR. G. AGAIN TO GIVE US HIS INSIGHTFUL THOUGHTS AS TO WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT A WORLD MONETARY STANDARD AND IF AIG NEEDS THOSE BONUSES.

Our children are in deep trouble and the self-serving leaders of this country are much to blame. The bulk of our young people are going to be the future "pennies an hour" China laborers of today.

Re: B.O.'s cabinet does not have to obey the law?

Diversity Manager
EEO
Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:44 PM
Well, you sure are throwing stones!!

We (federal employees) overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Obama and we should support him even if "some" of his cabinet choices have (maybe) committed crimes.

They're different than us. CUT THEM A BREAK!! Just try being a GS-15 or whatever grade they are. IT ISN'T EASY!!

How would you like it if someone pointed out everytime you sped on the way to work or shoplifted a small item from WalGreens? You wouldn't like that, would you? NO. So leave these people alone and let them run our country!! I need to get paid!!

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Me
The one I work for
Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:24 AM
Diversity Manager...you're not serious right? You can't be.

Oh wait...you're a "diversity" manager for EEO, of course you're serious. My bad.

Double Standards

Management Assistant
IRS
Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:12 AM

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While I can't believe she was ignorant enough to let this continue after she was warned, I find it laughable that she should be fired for this. Perhaps a suspension and a promise of at least a 3-yr future audit would have been enough. If the head of the entire Treasury Department can cheat on multiple years -- and not even pay back the money from previous years (because of statute limitations), she should not have been fired. If the guy who supposedly writes our tax laws in Congress can get away with a $75K "mistake", she should not have been fired.

Unequal Treatment

Civil Engineer
Forest Service
Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:14 AM

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Does it seem odd that an empolyee who propably has minor public contact is treated so harshly while the head and face of the IRS is given a pass on his tax returns. Not at all when the person is an appointee of this administartion.

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