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FERS, Sick Leave and Your Retirement: How Much Is This New Benefit Worth to You in Dollars and Cents?

Forgot one thing....

DOD
DOD
Mon Apr 6, 2009 8:34 AM

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Ethics...it would be un-ethical...actually stealing...to use one's sick leave when not sick. There are guidlines to the propore use of SL.

Re: Forgot one thing....

Fed Employee
Fed Agency
Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:27 AM
It's also "unethical" to conduct personal business while on government time, such as yaking on the phone, texting and e-mailing. I have to listen to my co-worker arguing with her boyfriend all day long. She walks around with her "blue-tooth" glued to her ear because she has to be at his beck and call. I'm sick of her and listening to her annoying whiny voice. Guess this would validate me utilizing my sick leave.

Re: Forgot one thing....

lr manager
dod agency
Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:53 AM
There are always excuses (or "reasons" if you prefer) by people who want to take something they are not entitled to take whether the "taking" is leave, money or something else. Somebody makes more than I do so it is okay for me to take their money; somebody else is misusing government time so it is okay for me to take sick leave I am not entitled to, etc. The real question is whether you will get caught and penalized for it.

Those making up excuses usually content is was justified because "I had a good
'reason' for doing it."

Re: Forgot one thing....

Analyst
DOD
Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:43 AM
Interesting, I get to listen to the people, there are 20 of them, in this office talk about their numerous cruises, their kids, their cars, quilting and on and on and on. Beings as listening to this for 9 hours a day makes me sick I will use my sick leave as I see fit. Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.

Are you kidding?

Federal Employee
DOD
Mon Apr 6, 2009 8:54 AM

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Sick leave is for when you are sick, that's pretty simple, it is not a tool for getting extra annual leave.

People should be thankful that in addition to 4/6/8 hours of annual leave, everyone gets 4 hours of sick leave, compare that to private industry and you'll see a stark contrast.

How much annual leave does a person need. At 8 hours a pay period that amounts to 5 weeks of leave. Or for a person that works a compressed schedule they can take every other Friday off for working an extra hour each day each and then take a day of leave each pay period and only work 4 days a week. Don't forget federal holidays.

There is also an impact to co-workers, someone has to pick up that work that's not getting done. And the supervisor can't really hire someone new because there is still an employee in the billet, that person just happens to be feigning illness.

This article defines the reason why the American taxpayer thinks federal employees are lazy.

FERS, Sick Leave and Your Furture Retirement

Administrative Support Assistant
Department of Homeland Security
Mon Apr 6, 2009 9:42 AM

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You stated, "if you used your leave as you accrued it, you would not be prepared for a long short-term disability such as heart by-pass surgery. You also wouldn't be the best candidate for leave donations." I would like to better understand your stated, wouldn't be the best candidate for leave donations. Could you please explain that statement fully in details?

As a single parent, I used my sick leave to care for my sick child or children, parent, siblings, and myself. I strongly believe a person should not come into work or school if they are sick. The medical profession strongly states that we should "stay home" if you are sick. If I care enough for my office personnel by keeping my bad germs and attitude away from the office than the office personnel should (hopefully) respect my thoughtfulness, and provide me with donated leave if necessary. Afterall, If I had not stayed home they wouldn't have accured the sick leave.

Re: FERS, Sick Leave and Your Furture Retirement

Auditor
Various agencies
Mon Apr 6, 2009 10:35 AM
I think the author is talking about someone who uses their sick leave as it accrues, to get additional time off, while staying home with something like a headache or backache. Nothing contagious, and an "illness" that is really subjective - what will make one person stay home is a non-event to another person. A person who always calls in sick on days that just add onto their weekend is pretty suspicious. Why don't they ever get sick on a Wednesday?

Donating leave to a coworker is voluntary, and I look at the attendance record of an applicant before deciding to donate my ANNUAL leave to take care of someone else's need for extended sick leave. If you've been with the govt for years, you should have a healthy balance in SL, AL, or both. I used a lot of SL over the past couple of years for my own surgery and to care for a sibling and parent with cancer. During this same period I've saved lots of AL to carry me over in case I get sick or ever get a chance for a vacation.

legitimate sick leave

Program Specialist
USACE
Mon Apr 6, 2009 10:50 AM

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As a 50-something who came to Federal Service only 4 years ago, I am frequestly forced to use sick leave for doctor appointments, tests and treatments that are just not available after hours. There is no way that I will ever be able to accrue enough sick leave to use as short term disability leave. In addition, I looked into purchasing AFLAC insurance on my own and was told it is only available through your employer IF they choose to offer it. So I am out of luck in case I ever need short term disability coverage.

Re: legitimate sick leave

worker
Federal government
Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:03 AM
Check with another insurance company. I used State Farm for long term disability. They may be able to help with your problem.
I quit the program because it was not worth it to me. It may be worth it to you. Note, I did not have short term disability with them because i did not need it.

CSRS vs FERS sick leave EQUITY act

Revenue Agent
Treasury
Mon Apr 6, 2009 10:58 AM

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Why is this bill championed as putting FERS employees on "par" with CSRS. FERS employees only get a portion of their retirement benefit from their pension therefore the service time equivalent for sick leave would give a 30 year FERS employee under age 62 a 1% bump up for a 2080 relinquished sick leave balance while a 30 year CSRS employee of any age would get a 2% bump. So CSRS employees sick time is worth double a FERS employee sick time. Yet every reference of this bill states
"ON PAR", "EQUALITY"etc.

S/L Is An Earned Right

Fed Employee
Fed Agency
Mon Apr 6, 2009 10:59 AM

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Why so many self-righteous posters trying to make themselves look good? While I have never abused my S/L and am nearing the end of my career, I will use every bit of it before I walk out the door for the last time and not feel like I am "cheating" as some elude to. I have had four major surgeries & four children within my 30 yr career and still have over 800 hrs sitting in the bank.

The Main Point

District Ranger
US Forest Service
Mon Apr 6, 2009 12:38 PM

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The article missed the main point. If you arrive at the end of your career with a large amount of sick leave and hadn't abuse it along the way one could assume that you've led a healthy life. Isn't that what we all want? To be healthy and able to do the things we want. Sick leave is something we should be grateful to even have.

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