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Boomers Retiring from Federal Jobs Could Equal Opportunity

Boomers Retiring

Civil Engineer
VHA
Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:53 AM

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You know for years now we keep reading of the "Great Exodus" retirement of the baby boomers, and the fact of the matter is it's just not happening. Why? A dozen or so reasons - too much debt, kids still at home, not enough saved for retirement. Those are a few of the most common.

I guess it makes for an easy article to write though....

Re: Boomers Retiring

Registered Nurse
VA
Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:07 AM
It is unfortunate that more of the VA employees are not retiring after 30+ years of service. In the cases I have observed, these employees stay, because of an entitlement attitude and the knowledge they do not have the training for the jobs they occupy. Having 30+ years of civil service does not necessarily reflect capabilites or good job performance. The VA is in desperate need of skilled management, and employees willing to accept the old VA way is no longer working or appropiate. VA should be guided into an agency with less bureaucracy and employees who truely understand the value of caring for our veterans.

Re: Boomers Retiring

Computer Specialist
VA
Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:17 AM
Not suprising because I was told that VA does not have to oblige by OPM rule.

Requesting PDs from HR?!?!?!?

TEAM LEADER
CMS
Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:00 AM

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Are you joking? PDs around here seem to be classified information. Not once in all my years here in the Feds (35 and counting) has my request for a PD been filled by anyone. HR says they can't release it as I have no need to know. The listing component stalls and says that they "can't find it" and questions why I am asking for it. The Union....well....they don't seem to be able to assist in this matter either.

It remains a secret - the KSAs required for a job that is posted or one that you would like to aspire to. Mentoring around here is for the chosen few - the Presidential Interns, the Outstanding Scholars, the family of the management. An "old-timer" even young in age seems to have nothing to contribute to the agency.

Bitter? Do I sound bitter?- well you try being the Team Leader to the "Know it Alls"with the Masters and Doctorate Degress. Train them, and help them get that promotion. And what about those "External Postings" to bring in the boss's unqualified kin?

Re: Requesting PDs from HR?!?!?!?

Computer Specialist
VA
Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:20 AM
I guessed we have not "network" with the right person for that right position.

Re: Requesting PDs from HR?!?!?!?

Retired HR SES
USAF
Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:22 AM
One of the reasons HR offices don't provide PDs to candidates is that often the contents are parroted back in the candidates' KSAs. You don't need the PD to write to KSAs. Your experience, education, and training are what are important. If you don't understand what the KSAs are trying to get to, you probably don't have the background to be a successful candidate.

Re: Requesting PDs from HR?!?!?!?

Specialist
Federal Agency
Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:25 AM
I'm with you bitter! Looking around my agency it's not what you know that gets you ahead, it's who you know, what minority group these individuals are in (I didn't think the government had hiring quotas), and how fast you can kiss someone's butt.

Yes, I too am bitter. After 30+ years of Federal service I'm seeing us old timers in my agency being pushed out. They are doing everything in their power to make us miserable so we will leave.

The newbies, who think they know everything, are dumb as dirt and have absolutely no common sense. Book knowledge will only get you so far.

So, as I make plans to leave, the stuff in my head will remain there as not one soul is asking me to share it! I hope the government of the future survives!

Re: Requesting PDs from HR?!?!?!?

Fiscally Responsible Fed
Somewhere
Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:53 PM
Actually, some agencies have Position Descriptions online (probably intranet for employees only) in what is sometimes called a "PD Library."

I am not convinced by the comment that people use them for preparing their job applications because if you extend that to everyone, then all the applicantions would look quite the same.

The author is correct. Find ways to stand out in your present job. That means, do something that makes a difference, and write about it on your resume.

You should be able to describe what you did today (this week, month, or year) that made a difference in specific terms. If you can not identify any special projects or accomplishments, you won't stand out and you don't deserve to be promoted.

It takes creativity and marketing to position yourself for advancement. When all things are equal, "networking" is how most people get jobs. People have to know who you are and what you can do to help them in order for them to have confidence in you and hire you

Re: Requesting PDs from HR?!?!?!?

FedUp
Broken
Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:53 AM
I agree, one doesn't need the exact PDs to apply, but Somewhere must have a more amiable HR office or hiring official. I agree more with the theory of the who-knows than the what knows. Experience, awards, graduate degree, and even outstanding scholar status doesn’t mean a thing if you haven’t had your nose deeply buried somewhere or your DNA results don’t match that of the upper-echelon. Of course it’s the same in the private sector, and often times worse, but come on, who are we fooling thinking the federal service is any different or that cronyism or nepotism is not alive and well in civil service…get real! Berry, you have your work cut out for you when all along promotions have been based on other than the best interest of the agencies they represent.

Re: Requesting PDs from HR?!?!?!?

CBP Employee
Customs and Border Protection
Tue May 19, 2009 12:23 PM
The truth is if you are not a member of a minority, female, a member of an elite group, young and highly educated, you don't really stand a chance in getting promoted above a basic level. Advanced promotions are for the few, not for an older white male or the under educated young white male...Oops, did that slip out? In the culture of political correctness, that is a big "No No", but the truth is the truth. The US government of today is just as discriminating as it has always been. The only difference is that it has shifted who it is discriminating against. What happened to the dream of Martin Luther King, Jr.? "People are not judged by the color of their skin, but by their content of their character". Look at all the staged photos which broadcast "diversity" and "inclusiveness". Do you ever wonder who was skipped over? Was a less qualified person promoted for the sake of political correctness? Sadly, how little we have really changed.

Thanks, but NO Thanks!!!

Fed Worker & Union Guy
DOD
Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:14 AM

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I will not even apply for my bosses job, when he leaves. His position is NSPS & I am GS. Would I even dare think about going into NSPS & lose my union affiliation too. I've heard him complain too many times about NSPS, & quiz me about what the union is doing about it.

VA opportunies

Computer Specialist
VA
Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:14 AM

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At the VA, it is not what one knows, but it is who one know for promotion opportunities available.
My boss commented "the competition is keen" and I did not make the final selection when he hired a person who did not have any IT experience, lie on the resume to get hire, and only had a high school deploma vs. 22 years plus IT experience, managed a data center for several years, VA leadership training, and an MBA.
My experience tell me preparation and prior experience does nothing for opportunities.

Upward Mobility

Program Assistant
US Dept of HUD
Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:27 AM

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What they are doing here, is hiring new people to fill the retired person's position instead of giving opportunities to the Program Assistants who have the knowledge and experience to fill the positions. They would rather teach a new person instead of using the employee they wouldn't have to teach.

Re: Upward Mobility

Computer Specialist
VA
Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:58 AM
I thought the VA was unique when we experienced the practice that you mentioned. The agency wants employee to perform but when there is an opportunity for promotion, those opportunity was deny or make unavailable by excuse. And the agency wondered why the morale is low?

Boomers Retiring from Federal Jobs Could Equal Opp

Analyst
DOD
Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:20 AM

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You are kidding right? There is no need for the younger employee to wait until the old timer retires, I have been told countless times that there is ample opportunity for promotion if you are younger. The old guy is capable of training the newbee to acquire a 12 but when it comes time for the old guy to get that same promotion they don’t qualify. Want to guess why??? They say it isn’t age based. Sure it isn’t.

retirement

Anti change
DOI
Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:23 AM

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I am towards the end of the babyboomers and could retire Jan 10 but will not be able to because of the economy, divorce, and expenses with a teenager. I truly wish I could retire because I have fences to fix, a house to REALLy clean, a barn to clean, and life to enjoy.

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