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Paid Leave, Childbirth and Federal Employee Benefits

More benefits

retired
USPS
Thu May 7, 2009 8:58 AM

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One word sums it up - SOCIALISM.

Only the truly naive believe that this won't increase taxes. Obama has already gone on record freezing social security benefits for people who really need it for the next few years.

Amazing what you can pass when you are buying votes.

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Assistant Regional Counsel (Ret.)
SSA/DOJ
Thu May 7, 2009 10:41 AM
OK, you're in danger of making me in favor of this idea. Basically I'm against paid child leave for all the reasons readers gave that were stated in the article. But, the hope of socialism that would give money to real people at a lower lever than giving it all to multinational corporations sounds like a great idea to me. I'm also tired of the lower taxes are good myth--look around--that just isn't true.

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Acountant, Retired GS 14
DOE, Albuquerque
Fri May 8, 2009 8:37 AM
Socialism? It tells me more about your right wing reactionary politics. Socialism is not liberalism. Socialism is the government ownership of busness on a regular basis. It is communism without the dictatorship and it's leaders are democratically elected. There are none in Europe. In fact, there is only one socialist country in the world. It is venezuela. BO is proposing a strong social liberal infrastructure like Western Europe, Japan, Austrailia and New Zeeland, and Canada. If you dont like strong liberal social states go to Africa, Asia, and Africa.

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Auditor
DOD
Mon May 11, 2009 11:16 AM
I am for this bill. 10% of the private sector provide paid maternity leave for employees (that does not include annual or sick leave). In addition, there are A LOT of other countries that give these types of benefits to their employees. Federal employees are not given any type of short-term disability insurance options to help substitute the income lose. This bill will also help retain employees that would have otherwise left; which will decrease retraining cost and help keep the knowledge gained from experience that can not be transferred to a new employee.
Whether it's parental leave, short-term disability, or something else, Federal Employees (and all of the US) need an option to be with their child without facing increased financial difficulties.

Additional Paid Leave for other Illnesses

Contract Specialist
Army Corp of Engineers
Thu May 7, 2009 9:03 AM

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I really don't have a problem with the paid leave for parenting, however what about other illnesses (sudden) that can have a sever impact on the financial status of a federal employee. Unlike a lot of private firms the Government does not offer short term disabiity to its employees. Additionally, you can not even get advanced sick leave from some agencies without exhausting all of your annual leave. Which leaves you with nothing when you recover. A bill need to be introduced to address these types of situations that will allow for some type of financial relief as a result of an illness other than child birth.

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Reformed Conservative
DFAS
Thu May 7, 2009 10:54 AM
I agree with you that we need short-term disability (like the rest of the industrialized world gets) but I also think that a sensible amount of maternity leave (like the rest of the world gets) is a good start in bringing the U.S. into the 20th century.

Eventually, we can work on joining the rest of the industrialized world in the 21st century. Baby steps. Baby steps.

Re: Additional Paid Leave for other Illnesses

Labor Relations Officer
Department of the Army
Fri May 8, 2009 12:20 PM
Actually we do offer short term disability, it's called Sick Leave. Unfortunately, with the advent of FERS employees were encourage to fritter it away and now we have TONS of them on the leave transfer program. Most do not have a chronic illness and are long term employees who made a conscious choice NOT to take advantage of the unlimited carryover of a very generous leave progam. I have worked for the government for almost 25 years and if something happens to me, I have amost an entire year of sick leave saved just for that purpose, or to care for my son in the event something happens to him. It's called planning for the future.

Fairness Prism

Utility Specialist
DOE
Thu May 7, 2009 9:04 AM

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The only prism needed is that of the taxpayer. Do they see this as fair. With the amount of leave and sick time we get, it should not take that much cobbling. I call this greed. The only discrimination here is against those who pay your salaries.

uh oh

atty
A big one
Thu May 7, 2009 9:14 AM

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I think you guys like reporting on this as much as possible because you know it inflames people! I guess we have to get ready for all the petty whining that it is not fair for people to get what I can't get. My quick and dirty response is...get over it. Is it fair that many of you get to retire from CSRS and I have to deal with the crappy FERS...no. But guess what, I have to suck it up and deal with it. I recommend the rest of you do the same on this issue. I am a man, have 3 kids under 5 and can tell you without hesitation how much the extra 4 weeks would have benefited me and my family and made me an even more productive and happy worker.

Go Congress...I appreciate what you are doing!

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Examiner
Small Agency
Thu May 7, 2009 12:14 PM
Have to partially agree with you. For a columnist who makes his living covering issues regarding federal employees...we have witnessed Ralph Smith turn decisively anti-federal whenever any increase in benefits to those employees is discussed in congress. The addition of Bob "I never met a good federal employee" Gipson is also discouraging. Would love to see more balance in the reporting that goes on her vs the extremes we see in FOXNews and MSNBC. How about a move to the middle Ralph?

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HR Spec
DoD Agency
Thu May 7, 2009 1:00 PM
I went back and read the article. I don't expect cheerleading for or against federal employee benefits.

This article does not do that. Apparently a number of federal employees are against this expansion of benefits for understandable reasons. So why should the author sugar coat that and jump on the bandwagon for spending more money when many federal employees are against it. The article also gives arguments for and against the proposal by using quotes and comments.

We are used to seeing nothing but favorable articles about new programs. Some in the Post, Federal Times, etc. sometimes sound like they were written by the advocates for the programs.

Personally, I like having a different point of view than the blatant cheerleading, unquestioned restatement of union positions as if they were the universal opinion of federal employees, and an assumption that our workforce of 2 million or so thinks with one mind.

So, in this man's humble opinion, please don't fall into the usual mode of just telling us what the advocates for a particular program want to hear. Apparently, in the view of some, not jumping on the cheerleading bandwagon is "decidedly anti-federal employee." That is nonsense.

Maternity Leave

Personnel Security
DOJ
Thu May 7, 2009 9:19 AM

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I believe this would be a great benefit for expecting mother and to her family. Many do no have enough leave saved up to stay home for three months. Many have to return to work after only 2 weeks because they can't afford to stay longer. That is just plain selfish of those who say if I can't have it, why should they. Even the men should want there wives to have that opportunity.

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Clerk
DOI
Thu May 7, 2009 3:59 PM
Selfish is exercising the choice & ability to have children, then expecting extra benefits for doing so.

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IRS Agent
IRS
Fri May 8, 2009 8:55 AM
This is for the ignorant comment from the DOI clerk. Selfish is the choice to have children? Are you nuts? Having a child is a blessing from God. Raising a child to be a responsible caring citizen is a never ending task, but a task that has tremendous rewards for EVERYONE, not just the parents. My daughter is a responsible caring individual that worked exceptionly hard to achieve a degree in nursing caring for some of the small minded people like DOI clerk. Who takes care of you when you are sick, older and unable to be fully sustainable? The children of the people you are calling selfish. Thank you lucky stars you did not stand in front of me and spout that ridiculous verbage. Look in the mirror and tell me what you see.

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Clerk
DOI
Fri May 8, 2009 10:53 AM
I do enjoy comments from the deliberately obtuse!

Anyone with a grasp of third grade English could read my comment & know that it's not the choosing to have children that is selfish, it's the expectation of extra benefits being attached that is so.

As for what I see in the mirror: a mother of 4 who didn't use one hour of federal leave for childbirth. I was in the private sector with no benefits when each was born.

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Labor Relations Officer
Department of the Army
Fri May 8, 2009 12:25 PM
To the DOI Clerk, I'm right there with you. It is selfish to make choics AND WANT OTHERS TO PAY FOR THOSE CHOICES. It should be part of your PLAN to have a family, one of the "can I afford" to take the time off, not holding out your hand and saying "now that I've done this, YOU PAY FOR IT TAXPAYER....I too have a child, but I saved my leave for YEARS to do so.....I didn't ask for anyone else to pay for it.

Paid Leave for Child Birth

HR Specialist
Federal Government
Thu May 7, 2009 9:22 AM

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Paid leave for child birth is common in most of private industry abiet not in jobs such as working in stores, restaurants, etc. When I mentioned that I used my own leave, I had people who were shocked that the government did not give maternity leave. This country is behind most of the industrialized world in providing more benefits for the working family. I feel that this would be a great benefit as this is provided in many companies in the private sector.

Parental Leave needed benefit

Lender Relations Specialist
SBA
Thu May 7, 2009 9:29 AM

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I know some disagree with this bill, but what about those that have recently started with the Federal government and then face an unplanned pregnancy such as myself. The argument of saving leave is irrelevant. I didn't have enough time to accrue enough vacation and sick leave. Hopefully, when my child is born I will be able to make it back to work in 4 weeks because that is all the leave I will have accumulated in my time thus far with the Federal Government.

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