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Bill Favoring Fed Retirees Opposed by Unions

Union Opposition to Hiring Retired Feds

HR Consultant
Various Federal Agencies
Tue May 26, 2009 9:12 AM

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Another example of how Federal unions-the comfortable, complacent, custodians of the status quo- can stop new human resource programs. On the other hand, what better way to help your friends than this incentive.

Re: Union Opposition to Hiring Retired Feds

usda
worker
Tue May 26, 2009 10:00 AM
"what better way to help your friends", hit the nail right on the head. anyone who anticipates anything different is not in the real world of federal gov't employment

Not in favor of bringing back betirees

Service Rep
Social Security Administration
Tue May 26, 2009 9:16 AM

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I personally do not think that the retirees should be brought back. I have been with the Social Security Administration for 10 years and I am still waiting for a promotion. I am 42 years old and I will be with the agency at least another 15 years. I have to ask the question of how long will the retiree be with the agency if brought back? I can't get a promotion right now because of the new people that they are bringing on from off of the street. Many of the new people they simply take resumes' on and never post the vacancy announcement so that people like me with the experience can apply. Then when I try to give them my resume' I was told that I would never be promoted through that route and that I should apply on-line when an announcement was released (needless to say……one will never be released from my office because of this practice)

With all of that being said…..I have experience….I have been here for the daily training etc. The retiree will still have to go through some sort of training. I think that the agency would be better served if it promoted the more experienced personnel from within and back filled the lower paying jobs.

Re: Not in favor of bringing back betirees

Beach Bum
Retired DoD
Tue May 26, 2009 12:28 PM
You must work in OCO, they brag about the generations and families that work there. One of their head recruiting honch's also was all in favor of using FCIP to backdoor Vet's. All in all it is not a very nice place to work at all.

But hey, they have a song and a slogan to go along with their ever increasing backlog and overtime payments.

Re: Not in favor of bringing back betirees

Worker
USDA
Tue May 26, 2009 2:29 PM
I agree with not bringing back retired folks. I was forced to leave a position because my boss came back as a retired-annunitant! I stayed as long as I could, but never received all the great information that he was suppose to share. Come on! Let us folks that are still trying to make a living move up in the ranks. If you choose to retire, retire!

Please stay retired!

Supervisor
DLA
Tue May 26, 2009 9:17 AM

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No offense to all the retirees out there, but we have been doing fine without you. If anything, we have been doing better. New people bring fresh ideas, and a lot of energy. Please stay away and allow the next generation of federal employees to serve their country!

Re: Please stay retired!

Brian
SSA
Tue Jun 9, 2009 1:31 PM
Thank you soooo much...
All we need is more DEAD WOOD!!!
Wish more people would retire........ GOOD BYE SO LONG!!!

The OLD BREED is Not up on technology all they do is take up space that could be filled by a younger more motivated person with fresh ideas and a pulse...

Re: Please stay retired!

it specialist
ssa
Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:09 PM
Hey Brian,

For every one of the old breed who is not up on the latest technology, there are several younger employees who have good computer skills but don't know squat about social security laws and regulations. You can make your pretty reports but don't understand what all the data mean. Why don't we work together and combine our skills and knowledge rather than insulting each other? The American public is depending on us to get it right.

retirees excluded from bargaining unit

Management Analyst
FDA
Tue May 26, 2009 9:20 AM

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"Retired federal employees may not become members if they come back to work." it has been my understanding that anyone can join a union, but not everyone may be represented by the union (i.e., excluded from bargaining unit). I assume that is what you meant. in which case, my response is: I did not know that! what is the basis for their exclusion?

Re: retirees excluded from bargaining unit

usda
worker
Tue May 26, 2009 10:02 AM
the basis for their exclusion comes from when the unit was initially "clarified". that is when the FLRA determines the members of the bargaining unit and if they were not included (retirees/temp workers) they would not be included

Rehiring Issues

Former (Retired) RO
IRS
Tue May 26, 2009 9:24 AM

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Going to have to give you a "well - duh!" on this one. What your story doesn't point out (and what you are surely aware of) is that the retirees that management will hire will be their buddies - former managers - not former rank and file employees. This has already been shown to be the case in previous instances where waivers have been granted under existing laws. Check out the rehiring of retirees to serve as instructors in the IRS about 7 years ago. Many of those folks, although good, competent managers in most cases, had not actually done any of the work they were attempting to teach to new trainees in a great many years. So, not only are these rehired annuitants not likey to join a union, they're also not the best qualified individuals to carry out the work. Seems as though you could included that point in your story as well, but, as usual, you chose only to blame the federal unions. How about a little journalistic integrity every once in a while??

Re: Rehiring Issues

HR
Retired
Tue May 26, 2009 3:44 PM
Because not all situations are the same. My former agency hired retired employees back as trainers for positions and they were all people who had served in those positions. None were former supvs or managers, but people with only the most up-to-date experience in that job.

Retired Annuitants

Management Analyst
Navy
Tue May 26, 2009 9:52 AM

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I have to agree with union opposition on this one. The way I have seen the principal of reemployment applied so far has been for highest ranking managers, with six-figure salaries and very tidy retirements, coming back as highly paid contractors or "reemployed annuitants," sometimes only days or weeks after "retirement." Even with the salary offset, it is apparently sufficiently lucrative that it is been done pretty often. This effectively blocks advancement for lower ranking civilian employees and allows agencies to procrastinate on establishing effective succession policies and practices.

Diversity

Environmental Engineer
ASC
Tue May 26, 2009 10:16 AM

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I believe that the federal "retirement tsunami" would be just like the A-76 Program, i.e., "hinder" a diverse work environment and promote the "ol boys' network and nepotism." Because of this practice too much effort would have to go into promoting equal opportunities and at the same time there is not enough effort in promoting equal opportunities, conditions, and privlege of employment for the current workers. Also, the same lazy privilege folks that messed-up the work force will be back in business.

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