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Delivering Mail and Kissing The Customer Leads to Removal

Concern over the Judges Ruling

Contact Rep
SSA
Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:49 AM

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Although I think it is entirely possible the story actually played out as reported, I am conerned the judge sided with the female in this case with out any coroborating testimony from a witness. She could have just as easily approached the mail carrier and after being rejected by him, cooked up the whole story to get even with him. Simply telling the same story multiple time to different people doesn't make it true.

Re: Concern over the Judges Ruling

op supe
faa
Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:38 PM
It's easy to tell the same story time after time. Tell the truth the first time, don't deviate from the truth, and the truth will 'set you free.' I found this to be true when I was hit with an EEO complaint and was interviewed/interrogated several times over a period of three years. I told the truth from the gitgo. Because of that, I never had to try to remember what I had told them on previous occasions. They finally 'let me go' after realizing they couldn't trip me (or the truth) up.

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Civilian
Navy
Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:42 AM
Contact Rep, so you're saying if there's no witness it didn't happen? You really don't believe that, do you? Hope you never experience a crime when no one is around to witness it.

Re: Concern over the Judges Ruling

el tech
noaa
Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:32 AM
that's just the point Mr.Navy, there was never a crime;
think about it just a minute, if this really did happen
wouldn't the victim call the cops immediately.
you bet they would; buy the way hopefully you never
get falsely accused, it's no fun at all I know first hand
and it cost me several thousand dollars to prove it.

Delivering Mail and Kissing

Management Analyst
Dept. of Education
Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:08 PM

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According the the postal worker he deviated from his route because she was outside and he considered this to be good customer service. My postman does this sometimes when if I am outside or if there is a package for me he will drive his truck into my driveway and deliver my package and then go on the the mail delivery. I just wonder what made the woman's story so crediable and not the postal worker. Not only that, if it were me, I would have called the police first and then talked to someone else.

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Human Resources Specialist
IRS
Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:46 PM
Being related to and having known several women who were sexually assaulted, I know that the first reaction for many female victims is to confide in friends or family before contacting the authorities. I agree with the attorney's comments; I see no evidence that the postal worker's appeal was adjudicated differently from other appeals and don't quite understand the responses that attempt to make the victim responsible for what was done to her or assume that there was an ongoing relationship between her and the appellant. If the victim of sexual assault is presumed to be guilty until proven innocent, no wonder many women choose to not report the incidents to the authorities.

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Manager
OPA
Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:27 AM
You don't know women well if you think they would call the police first...they always call a female friend first!

questionable

letter carrier
usps
Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:02 PM

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I'm sorry, but there has to be more to the situation than is revealed here. The woman's lack of action, nothing, immediately following the incident raises a red flag in my eyes. Who she spoke to and when seems like a bit of a set-up to me. If you repeat a lie enough times, people believe it as truth. It all seems a little fishy to me.
signed,
a female carrier

Truth and allegations

Civil Servant
US Government
Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:20 PM

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This is one of those "guilty until proven innocent" situations. All one has to do is accuse someone of sexual wrongdoing, and that person is at the very least viewed askance, often forever. On the other hand, if the carrier did what he is accused of, justice has been served, harsh though it may seem. Sexual terrorism makes me ill. Let's just hope facts have prevailed over emotion in deciding this case.

Sexual Assualt

PO Carrier
USPS
Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:23 PM

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Was this guy charged for sexual assault in criminal court? If not why not? This guy should be locked up. He is obviously a danger to society!

Deviation

Carrier
Usps
Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:23 PM

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The charge of deviating from route was just added to bolster the case against him. If carriers were disciplined for back tracking or correcting a mistake, there would be no carriers left.

People will say anything

RCA
USPS
Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:46 PM

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This honestly reminds me of something that happened on a local route to another carrier. The RCA had never run this route before and was late getting to the street. Upon getting about an hour into the route the Post Office received a call.

The call was from a customer on the route the RCA was delivering. The caller, a woman, claimed she saw the RCA smoking marijuana while he was delivering to her apartment.

The carrier came back into the post office and was escorted back to his vehicle by two supervisors who then did a complete inspection of the mail that was brought back, his person, and the vehicle.

The real kicker is they asked the woman to come in and make a formal complaint in writing, but she wouldn't even give her name and their search of the RCA turned up nothing.

This particular RCA does not smoke any sort of product, nor does he drink alcohol. So imagine his confusion when he was greeted by the supervisors that afternoon.

In short: Some people will say anything.

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