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November 7, 2009
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All Take and No Give
Distiller and Singer
Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:23 AM
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Where is the mention of service, sacrifice and humility?
Re: All Take and No Give
SSA
Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:48 PM
Selecting official: "This job is a GS-9 position."
You: "OK."
That's the extent to which you can "negotiate" most federal jobs.
Doesn't anyone even check these articles before they get published.
Re: All Take and No Give
DOT
Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:19 AM
Negotiating?
DOJ
Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:43 PM
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I began my career with DHS. When I was offered the job I felt that my experience qualified me at the higher pay grade in the announcement. I tried to negotiate and they told me they did not negotiate and if did not like the offer I could decline the job re-apply at the next announcement.
Re: Negotiating?
HUD
Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:44 PM
The nice thing is, I'm happy in HUD and I've just been picked up as a Presidential Management Fellow thanks to my second masters degree. Now my full potential is GS-13 but some agencies wanted to "offer" me GS-9 all over again. Go figure!
Re: Negotiating?
DoC
Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:15 PM
Next, the surviving applications will be forwarded to an evaluation committee that will score and rank applications against the criteria in the job announcement. The selecting official (the hire's new boss) will not be on this committee.
The committee will forward the top 3 applicants, based on scores, to the selecting official. Special approval must be obtained before the selecting official can hire a non-veteran over an equally qualified veteran.
The selecting official may conduct interviews for those that haven't found other jobs in the interim (the process may take a few weeks to several months) and select one, or reject all and re-advertise the job.
There is no flexibility for any "negotiating".
Career Bureaucrats
DOL
Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:42 PM
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I noticed that accountability, and creativity aren't on anyone's radar
KSA Dr.
No Such
Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:32 AM
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If this is Jason's advice I think I would avoid following his KSA advice as well! What a pollyanna world he must be living,
Above article
OPM
Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:07 AM
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I don't know what alternative universe Mr. Kay inhabits, but it certainly isn't this one. For applicants who are seeking their first Federal "white collar" position, there is very little flexibility on the issue of being able to negotiate starting pay (and none at all for "blue collar" jobs). While what are referred to as "superior qualifications appointments" can be a basis for offering starting salaries above the "step one" entry rate for the GS grade of the position concerned, these are highly atypical and must meet stringent regulatory threshold requirements; they are by no means a "slam dunk." While stressing initiative is good, the option of pursuing "learning" opportunities is misleading in giving the impression that agencies are willing to spend freely on employee development. Unlike the private sector, the Feds are quite parsimonious in this regard, with most devoting at most 1-2 % of their S&E budgets to this function, which tends to go first in any funding reductions.
Re: Above article
DOT
Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:56 AM
Government employment
DOE
Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:54 AM
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This is not good advise. The reality is that if, before even being sworn into their first government positions, selectees start "negotiating" (read: demanding) for more money, they could well be dealing with managers who (a) would not have been able to broach the subject when they started in civil service, and (b) may be thrilled to have the new hires coming in, and feel that the new hires should be equally thrilled, and honored, to have a government job. So they want to get greedy? I can see a couple of outsomes: offers being withdrawn, if the person hasn't started yet. Or, if they have, do the words "probationary removal" ring a bell?
Negotiating
USDA
Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:17 AM
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Jason needs to do his homework better on competitive service. Salary negioting for outside "all sources" employees (outside of NSPS) doesn't happen, outside of the very rare superior qualification. Internal applicants against excluding NSPS is set by the CFR.