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No Colonel Left Behind
USAF
Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:11 AM
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The only negotiation that goes on when filling higher level civilian positions in the Air Force is conducted before the job is announced. And it consists of how can these positions be tailored so they can be filled with retiring senior officers to supplement their military retired pay.
The only issue is whether the retiring officers write the position descriptions themselves and set the pay or whether they have current uniformed buddies do it for them.
The odor associated with the process is becoming noticable.
Inaccurate Information
DOE
Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:51 PM
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Mr. Kay,
You should have done your research before writing this article. You are giving individuals outside of the Federal Service false hope when it comes to negotiating salary. First and foremost, not everyone nor every position is eligible for negotiating (official HR term Advanced-In-Hire/Superior Qualifications. Only individuals outside of the Federal sector can negotiate salary. Second, some Agencies have a stringent requirements on the type of positions that are elgibile for Superior Quals, most are senior level position and hard to fill positions. Third, the request must go through an approval process and the selectee is required to provide current documentation of salary; some agencies require a letter of verification or contact your current/recent employer to verify the salary info is accurate.
In conclusion your statement, "...a government job, just like a private sector job" is false-it is different, it's actually a process.
Realism
VA
Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:30 PM
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There are elements of truth in all these responses, contradictory as they may appear. As a rule, a new hire to the Govt, which I think is what Mr Kay is addressing, does not have the option of "negotiating" a salary, i.e. step, once the grade is set. The exceptions to the rule are as the other HR Specialists have stated. The TI Analyst also is right in pointing out that some things need to be requested or brought up. However, I disagree that "you shouldn't diminish people's expectations before they ask". Some expectations are not realistic and, if not addressed, will lead to disappointment down the line - as is reflected so often by responders to this site. More important than KSA's are your own expectations; you have to accept Govt as an institution in its own right, with its own quirks & ways of doing things - not as a defective version of the private sector world of which you were previously a part.
Hiring Practices & Pay
United States Navy
Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:58 AM
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Under NSPS if you are a current federal employee you can only get a 5% increase if you take a new federal job. As a new hire to federal service in the NSPS system, you can negotiate within the salary range of the pay band and the word is out. Prospective employees are trying to negotiate the top of the pay band which defeats the incentive of the pay for performance system, so our management has been offering 'hiring bonuses' of several thousand dollars instead of hiring at the top of the pay band - with the prospect of 'earning' a higher salary through the NSPS process.
Negotiating
HHS
Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:09 PM
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My experience with negotiating is, it depends. It depends on the agency climate, and budget availability. Unless it's a "laddered" position, specific grade is set in stone. An applicant can often negotiate a step, often not more than Step 6, but he/she must produce proof of current salary level.
There are different ways
DOD
Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:09 PM
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Over 22 years as a staffing specialist, I worked in 12 separate CPO/HRO offices for DOD, Army, Navy, Marines, DODDS, AAA, INSCOM, DIA worldwide and every one is different because every manager who hires an employee is different. There are lots of policy statements in all agencies, and there are lots of managers who request and give exceptions. Always ask for a better salary than offered. Make sure the refusal is based on a real requirement or restriction, otherwise it's just an exercise of "whim policy" in action. Realize that your background must have approx 5X the "worth" of the higher salary to make it through the comptroller's screening and okay.