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Are You Part of the Retirement Tsunami? Where Will You Retire?

Retire? I hope to (someday)

CSRS Union Steward
DOD
Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:40 AM

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My thoughts are to retire on my first opportunity day in May 2011. But I've heard from people who did that and wished they had continued to work past that date. There's lots of reasons to stay in your job. If you are still comfortable working, getting up every morning, having a purpose, making a contribution, seeing friends, wearing work clothes, having some extra money to do things. I didn't bring children into this world so I'm not concerned if other people's kids have jobs or not. Giving them my job does not make sense to me. I put myself through college and don't see a reason why kids think they are owed anything past age 18.

Re: Retire? I hope to (someday)

HR Specialist
Dept of Labor
Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:59 AM
". . . don't see a reason why kids think they are owed anything past age 18."

Just remember those kids are the ones who will be choosing the nursing home in which you will be living.

;-)

Re: Retire? I hope to (someday)

IT Project Manager
State
Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:50 AM
Lightnen up. Those "entitled" kids will be supporting both of us in retirement by:

1. Paying income taxes to fund CSRS and part of FERS
2. Paying social security taxes to fund that part of retirement
3. By contributing to the U.S. economy and keeping our investments valuable and capable of producing income for as long as we need it.

Re: Retire? I hope to (someday)

Ernest T. Bass
rock chucker
Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:16 PM
There are a lot of ways to make a contribution, and having a purpose after you leave federal employment. I have talked to people who retired from where I work and held on for years, they now say they don't know why they didn't go sooner.
Start a new business, go back to school, let retirement be a new start, not an ending.

Re: Retire? I hope to (someday)

CSRS Union Steward and Former HR Specialist for 22 years
DOD
Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:17 PM
Dear HR from Labor: I have a long, very long, history of visiting rest homes of different types and features as a volunteer, friend, and relative since I was age 10. We visited my grandmother's friends who all went to them for years before she died in her 90's. Then my dad, my mom, my aunt, and my stepdad followed. I hope that I will receive the same gentle care in return. As I don't have children nor any siblings, and my only living relative is now 98, I wish that all the very grateful children of others get exceptional medical administration degrees and fill the rest homes with capable and caring personnel by the time I'm there. Meanwhile, I will work, work work.............

Retiring Outside US

Retired
DoC
Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:19 AM

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Important points overlooked in such articles:

Life in the US is extremely stable and we have our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and a generally reasonable legal system. Life outside the U.S. can become suddenly unstable (politically, economically, culturally) and we would be under the laws of the foreign country with whatever "rights" they choose to allow or not allow - even in the more "advanced" countries.

In most foreign countries, outright bribery of public officials (police, customs, doctors, etc.) is expected as routine, and medical care and even drinking water, sanitation, etc, can be marginal at times.

For me, it would be very scary growing old and infirm in a foreign country, many of which don't even have a real middle class.

These comments do not apply only to 3rd world countries, but to many of those mentioned in the comments by other readers. Vacationing there might be enjoyable, but living and growing old there could be an entirely different story.

Re: Retiring Outside US

Federal Employee
Federal
Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:51 AM
This is a very informative and true comment. I want to live abroad after I retire, but after considering the very points that you have made, I plan to do it on a revolving basis....

maybe 6 months on and 6 months back in the U.S. I probably will not purchase property abroad since I will not be there 24/7/365.....

Re: Retiring Outside US

Older American
Fed Agency
Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:06 PM
Many excellent comments however it's not certain just how long we are going to continue having our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Also, life inside the U.S. is becoming unstable as each week passes. Our own "rights" are being picked to death and eliminated as we live each day.

We will soon no longer have a "real middle class" ourselves.

What I find rather fascinating is some of the countries listed in the article as places to retire. Venezuela? I don't know about anyone else but why would any American consider moving to a country whose leader hates America? Well, okay, he probably "loves" American(s). . .well, probably not nearly as much as the American Dollar, he just has to tolerate the American that comes attached. Many of the Central and South American countries are being slowly devoured by violence and Americans are great targets. I personally would prefer not to support a government who hates the U.S. with my retirement money.

But to each his own.

Living in the Philippines

Inspector
US Postal Service
Sun Jul 5, 2009 7:44 PM

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I'm there now visiting an architect to have a home built. the RP is actively recruiting American retirees with a special visa program.

You can have any lifestyle you want here, from a beautiful condo in Manila (prepare to pay up to $250,000) to a 2,000 square foot freestanding home in a province for about $65,000 plus the modest cost of leasing the land it's on. Folks speak English and the medical care in large cities is astonishingly cheap and modern.

Many middle class people can afford servants. At $45 a month in the country and $65 in the cities for a live-in cook and maid, even a poor retired fed can have one.

Downsides - typhoons in the Northern islands, radical Moslems in Southern Mindinao, warm and humid weather 11 months a year on most islands.

It's worth a second look.

Retirement

retired fed
DHHS
Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:58 AM

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Maryland, unfortunately. Our families are here and we like our home, but Delaware is starting to look better and better every year. Maryland taxes are driving thousands of retirees out of the state.

Retiring Outside US

retired fed2
USPS
Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:40 PM

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With all the different places to retire outside of the US mentioned here, I am surprised no one has mentioned Canada, our closest neighbor. Although I am not sure of any tax implications by relocating there, I do envy the less congested feel and more open space and the less hurried lifestyle in the smaller towns of the Canadian Maritime provinces. Not sure either about how strong the possibility is of some (usually mild) anti-American sentiment there (which could also happen in ANY foreign country where Americans are relocating.) Does anyone here have any experience living either part or full time in Canada? Pluses?? Minuses?? I know if I did relocate outside the US, either part or full time I would consider Canada before any overseas destination, but am puzzled no one has mentioned it in this discussion.

Re: Retiring Outside US

Customs Officer
CBP
Wed Aug 5, 2009 7:21 AM
A couple of thoughts on living in Canada after doing so for three years: The cost of living is surprisingly much more expensive than in the U.S. If the exchange rate is favorable then it helps offset increased costs of daily life; otherwise, watch out! There is most definitely abundant anti-American sentiment that exists in Canada although it is subtle and the casual visitor may not encounter it because Canadians are generally very polite and cordial in their demeanor. Living in Canada is not the same as living in the U.S. as many Americans would think and there are differences to which Americans living in Canada must become accustomed.

Oregon bound

DoD HR
DoD
Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:33 AM

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after reading some other retiree comments I have decided on Bend Oregon- went there two weeks ago and have place under escrow.

Since I have been working for a number of years a good portion of my federal pension will be totally exempt (about 55%

Brings my tax rate down.

About 30 golf courses to look forward to next year. Yeh!
And lots of trails and lakes to hike/fish

Very insightful article

Think Panama!
Panama Equity
Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:26 AM

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Ralph,

Your article addresses some excellent considerations. To me, it is all about the adventure. Living and retiring in a foreign country is most definitely a risk, and there are some difficult factors to get over, including being away from family. My experience in Panama has been second to none- the people have accepted me and my family with open arms, and our quality of life has improved greatly. Anyone considering retiring abroad should take a serious look at panama. Thanks again! Kent Davis www.panamaequity.com

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