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Honest Herman - GM Salesman and Union Steward...

Ownership

IT Specialist
VA
Wed Jul 1, 2009 10:53 AM

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Maybe what GM need is employee ownership.
This form of management work with many organization where management and employee are stake holder.
Stock ownership are reserved for those who work for the organization, not the general public, which entice every level of the organization to work for a better future.
Now, in similar fashion, only US citizen are legally hire to be federal employee. As federal employee, we are the stake holder of our organization/country. One might wondered why there are so many wall/territory are being defensed?

GM & Chrysler Now a Family Business

Fed Peasant
DOD
Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:40 AM

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Ever notice on the TV reports, about how they often show 2, 3, or even 4 generations of GM workers in their news report about the car industry? Well there's a reason for that. I used to like in "GM Country". I gradually learned that a large portion of blue collar UAW jobs that came open were "reserved" for the family members, of current UAW members. Talk about inbreeding and an expensive labor contract. Yes, that's right!! A Joe, or Jane, off the street, & not kin to a UAW worker, would face this challenge (injustice) getting hired.
PREDICTION....in 2-3 years, GM & Chrysler will be building all kinds of small & "green" vehicles. Profit margins are tiny, or nonexistant on those products. They will have weak sales & will lose money. The foreign producers will create ever more big vehicles that Americans love, & eat their lunch. Obama, & his cronies in Congress, will create chaos for the mangement, with their tinkering & interference for their home districts.

Re: GM & Chrysler Now a Family Business

Analsyt
DOD
Thu Jul 2, 2009 9:54 AM
Fed Peasant DOD, the inbreeding doesn’t stop there, it is next to impossible to get a job with the AF without being related to someone, somehow.

partnership

vsr
va
Wed Jul 1, 2009 11:44 AM

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No the Unions are not the enemy, but with all due respect, sometimes in the effort to defend all employees, the union ends up preventing management from getting rid of bad employees. Employees who destroy the moral of the majority and seriously handicap the VA in it's mission to serve vets.

Never Buy UAW

Civil Engineer
US Army Corps of Engineers
Wed Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM

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In the past 30 years since I owned my 1st and subsequent cars, I never bought American nor a UAW assembled vehicle, period. Their wages and demands just increases cost but lowers quality and reliability. I've always owned Hondas and Toyotas put together by hard working NON-UNION/UAW workers who think of doing a good job rather than waste time crying about low union pay or filing grievences on a daily basis.

Re: Never Buy UAW

worker
Fed
Thu Jul 2, 2009 10:09 AM
Although I will not buy American, at least now, Civil engineer is way wrong. He blames UAW for the lack of quality. The UAW does not engineer or design the cars. They just work on the assembly line. Engineers etc. design cars with managements money limitations. Management caused the quality issue that you referred to.

Re: Never Buy UAW

Analyst
DoD
Thu Jul 2, 2009 7:06 PM
worker, you're telling us that the UAW has nothing to do with quality, they just work on the assembly line..

In other words, the people who put the product together have nothing to do with the workmanship of the product?? Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

Re: Never Buy UAW

worker
Fed
Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:27 AM
To analyst DOD
Your comments are silly. Sure, the workers have to do with quality when they put together the cars. But if they put cars together based on faulty design and engineering, then the product is bad no matter what the assembly line worker does.
It starts with the design and engineering. It continues with the assembly line worker being allowed to stop the assembly line if something is wrong. Saturn had that and the quality was good. Can workers at Saturn still do that?
Your comments really distorted what I said.

Re: Never Buy UAW

Analyst
DoD
Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:28 PM
uhh.. worker - To quote you directly -

"Management caused the quality issue that you referred to."

You can spin it however you want but you DID put all the blame on management. You put zero responsibility on the people who put the product together. That's absurd when judging the workmanship of that product yet that's exactly what you did.

Re: Never Buy UAW

worker
Fed
Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:58 AM
To Analyst DOD
Yes, you did quote me. However, you did not acknowledge that it starts with management getting the proper people to design the cars and put an assembly line together that is needed to put together good cars. Again, you have distorted the facts and my statements to suit your needs. Quoting out of context is a distortion of the facts. Read the entire contents and not just the items that suit your needs.
Management must do its job so that labor can do its job. Management failed to do so, while taking exorbitant compensation. Hope this answers your questions.

Re: Never Buy UAW

Analyst
DoD
Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:49 PM
worker - wrong again. You continue to put blame on management exclusively. Show me even once where you have acknowleged that the people who put the product together share some of the blame.

You can't because you haven't.

Government Motors

CBP Officer
CBP
Wed Jul 1, 2009 2:14 PM

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Personally, I'll never by another GM or Chrysler product!

Mission First - People Always

Retired Fed turned Consultant
former Army LR Chief
Wed Jul 1, 2009 3:25 PM

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Hey Dave. I have an idea for a new executive order. The title will be: "Mission First; People Always" If only it was that simple.

Good article. Very thoughtful.

Union Respect

Program Analyst
Department of the Navy
Wed Jul 1, 2009 3:59 PM

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I think the unions will take as much as they can get. After the past 8 years of getting no respect and almost at the verge of extinction, looking out for the best interest of the federal workforce, having a fair say on many of these issues will defenitely help to get back on track. In having a decent and properous work place I think everyone will benift from.

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